Do YOU own an HMC-150 or HMC-40?

[Jerry Norman]

I experience this. Using HMC150 and Vegas 9.0e.

Jerry

[Todd Geer]

Awesome, thanks Jerry!

[Al Bergstein]

Tod,not sure I totally understand. if I drag a clip from my HMC-150 onto my timeline, where are you talking about? The timeline doesn’t reset to the clip’s “streams” setting, is that the setting you mean?

For example, when I look at a clip, the streams setting shows 00:00:09:.510

This was the second clip I shot that day, so it’s likely that the first clip *was* 9 seconds long. So using Sony Vegas Pro 9.0d (not sure why I’ve not upgraded on this machine) it doesn’t appear to be ‘resetting’ the timecode, if in fact the ‘streams’ info is the real timecode.

However, am I not seeing the right problem?

Hope this helps. I’ll also look at my desktop machine and see if the same clip behaves in the same way on VP 9.0e which is what I have on that box.

Alf

[Al Bergstein]

Sorry, it’s obvious that the ‘streams’ is the length of the clip. So I don’t think I understand what I’m looking for. Is the problem you describe only showing up if I set the timecode when shooting to something other than zero’ing out (resetting the timecode with each clip?). Once I clearly understand how to look for this, I’ll try it with a bunch of older clips (I bought the HMC 150 in December) and see if I can see any change over time, i.e. are earlier clips unaffected by the issue, and later ones are).

Hope this helps.

Alf

[Todd Geer]

Hi, Alf – I think you’re on the right track.

Basically, looking at Vegas’s “Project Media” tab/window, “Details” view, there’s a column labeled “Timecode In.”

For any clip recorded with the 150, what is the “Timecode In” value? Do any of them start with something other than 00?

Subclips will show something other than zero, if you have any. We’re looking for the original clips themselves.

In addition to the “Timecode In” column, the start and end timecodes of a clip are displayed on the clip when dropped onto the timeline. Options, Preferences, Video, “Show source frame numbers…” set to “Timecode.” Any clips on the timeline after that setting is set to “Timecode” show timecode information?

Thank you!

[Todd Geer]

Thanks for all the effort!! If my previous post is goobered and I wasn’t clear, let me know.

And it doesn’t seem to have anything to do with zero-ing, or resetting, or free run or rec run Timecode settings of any kind in the camera – the timecode recorded, as shown in the Playback mode on the camera (it IS there), simply is not seen by any Vegas install or user I’ve checked with.

The more folks who say, “I have Vegas and it doesn’t show AVCHD Timecode” the more information I can get to Sony.

Thus far, NO Vegas user reports proper timecode display of AVCHD files in Vegas.

Thanks!

[Al Bergstein]

You are right. There is no timecode in for any of my projects. While at this point it has not been an issue, I would *love* to see this fixed as I would hate to have it be an issue under deadline. In fact, with this knowledge, I would be likely to rent a competing camera if I needed to be editing with timecode sync. I’m sure Panny doesn’t want that kind of thing to be happening. It might end up being an Sony EX-3!

I prefer editing with Vegas over FCP, so this might be an issue there as well. I use either depending on the job. So it’s important to me to have no bugs of significance or without a known workaround on either platform.

I love my 150, and consider it a great investment. Please do your best to move this up the priority list with the software dev teams there.

Alf

[Todd Geer]

Done. I submitted your input to Sony in my service request. They must be looking at it hard – they haven’t even responded to me about it yet!

Panasonic wrote back to me and their statement was:

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Hello,

We checked with the Panasonic Product Engineering Group and they indicate the following:

Once you transcode it, the new TC will be different and this is an editing software issue.
Also with long GOP there is the possibility of missing frames during transcoding.
This does not appear to be a Panasonic problem with the camera.

Thanks
Raj
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I’m hoping that Sony will figure it out.

CS5 can see the timecode. Avid Media Composer can see the timecode. I understand that FCP can see the timecode. Vegas does not.

I’ll keep you in the loop.

[Todd Geer]

For all following this post, Sony hasn’t dropped the ball and is forwarding to development:

Thank you for your patience. I would just like to let you know that, since I am reproducing the issue here, I am going to be sending this issue off to our development team. They will look into the issue and offer solutions if available. If not, the issue will be bugged. I will update you once I hear back from them.

[Gilles Gagnon]

Any news on this Todd?

Gilles

Gilles