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Difference between JVC HD200 shooting 720 60p and HVX200 doing the same?
Simple question (a.k.a. dumb?), but I have been reading great things about the HD200 shooting at 60p. From the things I’ve read, though, it makes it sound as if 720 60p is almost unique to the JVC at the mid-range HD level of camera. The HVX has always had 720 60p, eight? Or am I missing something? Is there any difference between the HD200 and HVX shooting 720 60p (aside from the higher resolution and better lens, etc., of the JVC)?
Thanks.
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[Trip Gould] “The HVX has always had 720 60p, eight? Or am I missing something?”
The HVX has always had 720/60p, yes. The reason JVC is making such a big deal out of it is because their first-generation HD100/HD110 cannot record 60P, they were limited to a fastest frame rate of 30P. So 60P is new *to them*, but the HVX has been doing it for a couple of years now.
[Trip Gould] “Is there any difference between the HD200 and HVX shooting 720 60p (aside from the higher resolution and better lens, etc., of the JVC)?”
Yes, there are a number of differences:
1) the JVC uses MPEG-based HDV, the HVX uses frame-based DVCPRO-HD. So you’ll never encounter any motion artifacting or GOP-based issues on the HVX.2) the JVC uses MPEG2’s 4:2:0 color sampling, the HVX uses 4:2:2.
3) better lens? AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. The stock 14x lens on the JVC “ProHD” lineup is a hideous piece of doo doo, easily the worst lens ever offered on a “professional” camcorder. It has more purple and green fringing than the Mardi Gras parade, and it breathes like a fat guy running up a hill. Yes it’s interchangeable (thank heavens, so you can chuck it in the trash and put something better on there) but better lenses start at about $10,000 (last time I checked).
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I believe you can order the JVC less lens.
The JVC 250, however, has been approved by National Geo for programming.
Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
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“and it breathes like a fat guy running up a hill.”
LOL!!!
-Lars
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“It has more purple and green fringing than the Mardi Gras parade, and it breathes like a fat guy running up a hill”
I have to be more carefull reading your posts barry because I fell off my chair and hit my chin when I read your review of the jvc lens. LOL!!!!!! Right on….
Emre
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[Emre Tufekci] “I have to be more carefull reading your posts barry because I fell off my chair and hit my chin when I read your review of the jvc lens. LOL!!!!!! Right on…. “
Barry’s sense of humor aside, it’s funny to those that haven’t seen it. To those of us that used the lens, it’s not so funny… Barry’s right, it’s best use is as a wheel chock for keeping the equip cart from moving…
Lens aside, Barry’s comments about HDV vs. HVX and the true I-frame vs. mixed compression HDV will go largely unnoticed, which is too bad. This is huge and so many people seem to miss it’s implications. It’s unfortunate, but we are in for a proliferation of non I-frame formats… the Sony XDCAM’s like the EX-1 is the next one coming.
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“The stock 14x lens…breathes like a fat guy running up a hill.”
Has JVC changed stock lens? The new model HD200UB has a 16x lens (according to B&H). I’m considering purchasing this, does this lens still have the same problem?
I’ve tried to find some examples online to see just how extreme it is, but to no success, if anyone can help me with that I’d really appreciate it.
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Look. I’ll put it right out there that I love Panasonic’s image quality. Native 4:2:2 and i frame encoding on DVCPROHD are all definite pros. I’ll also agree that JVC has been a little slow on the uptake, but some of these posted comments are moot.
The GY HD100 and 200 series were the first production models of HD cameras allowed to be produced by that company by the parent association / trade agreement held by of all these competing manufacturers. As it happens, Sony, JVC, Panasonic, Canon have all been cannibalizing technology off of one another for over a decade since the advent of Digital Video (which is why you’ll find JVC software inside of Sony cameras, Panny chip sets inside of Canon cameras and vise versa (you heard right)). Talk to any broadcast enigneer, and they’ll tell you these cameras are all mini frankensteins.
JVC has embraced this exciting, incestuous world and come out with unarguably the most flexible camera out there on the market. WIthout even mentioning the new HM700’s which have removed us from the proprietary racket of P2 and XDCAM cards, the JVC 200 series cameras are capable of shooting NATIVE, progressive, full raster HDV, XDCAM EX, AVI, AVI2, MXF and capturing all in 35mbs 4:2:2 via composite or HD-SDI. How about the ability to record to tape, hard drive, and sxs module SIMULTANEOUSLY.
Not bad for the first five years of a brand new manufacturer.
I own an HD100, the first generation of these cameras and have been more than pleased with its functionality and image quality. Most of all, having a shoulder mount is essential, which was maybe the only reason initially that kept me from buying the hvx200.
As for the lense: no, it’s not the best lense ever, but it’s fully manual broadcast lense, all the controls right where they should be, remote connector, it is worth more than the body of my camera alone.
And by the way, guess which exact lense is shipping with the HPX300…;)
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