Determining field order

[Tom Bell]

“unless, of course, somebody screwed up the field order before you got to it, in which case you’ll have to play the role of detective. Have fun.”

Spot on! That is the main problem I come across all the time… which is why I would love a low load app to help!

[Rafael Amador]

[Tom Bell] “digi beta before now, which I would expect to be upper firs”
To get a PAL DigiBeta Lower-first, SONY have to build a special camera for the occasion.
DigiBeta PAL can only be Upper-first.
When you have a file in a computer you can alter the order in which the fields are read or processed.
In a tape you can not do that.
You can not tell to the video-heads to alter the order in which he fields are wrote or read from the tape.
Just have a look to the FC’s PAL Capture Presets. All the 8/10b are Upper-first.
All the DV/DV50 are Lower. Those are the standards.
rafael.

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Alan Lacey]

I’m always facing this problem too.

I use Shake on the Mac and AE on PC but it’s always a pain.

I agree with Tom in that it would be nice if there was a simple application that coild test and report.

Alan in PALland

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[Rafael Amador]

Hi Alan,
I haven’t tried to determine the field order but it may helps;

https://laurent.ettouati.free.fr/english/index.html

rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

[Tom Bell]

[Dave LaRonde] “By “low-load”, do you mean, “a no-brainer to use”?”

Hi Dave,
When I say “low load” what I mean is an app that loads really fast and just tells me what I need to know so I dont have to wait for After Effects or something else heavy to load up!

[Tom Bell]

[Dave LaRonde] “By “low-load”, do you mean, “a no-brainer to use”?”

Hi Dave,
When I say “low load” what I mean is an app that loads really fast and just tells me what I need to know so I dont have to wait for After Effects or something else heavy to load up!

[Tom Bell]

Thanks Rafael.
That tool looks pretty handy!!

[Jeremy Garchow]

To reinterate what Dave spelled out.

PAL D1 SD: Upper Field First
PAL DV/DV50: Lower Field First.
NTSC D1: 720×486 Lower Field First
NTSC DV/DV50: 720×480 Lower Field First.

NTSC/PAL 1080i HD Upper field first.

It’s really that easy.

Jeremy

[Tom Bell]

[Jeremy Garchow] “It’s really that easy. “

Thankfully you obviously work in a part of the industry where no idiots have been anywhere near your assets! Unfortunately in my part of this industry there is a whole host of numptys juggling all manner of assets and then sending it onto me where I then spend a large part of my time ‘fixing’ the problems created previously!!

[Jeremy Garchow]

But if you follow the rules tha Dave described, then all you have to do is change them to the proper setting. Perhaps I am missing something?