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**Danger Will Robinson** **Danger Will Robinson**
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Welcome to the 21st Century. Fact is people can get your film/software for FREE RIGHT NOW on a SILVER PLATTER. Charging the legit people more, or making their lives more difficult, is only going to make things worse.
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[Craig Seeman] “The fundamental problem with the Cloud is that if you terminate, you cease to have access to some of your material that can only be opened in the program you no longer have access to.”
I do really, truly understand this point. I appreciate the principled stance against software as a service. And I’m not a total subscription apologist. My preferred model is perpetual licensing plus maintenance contracts.
My point is that I’m not really “free” even with perpetual licensing.
If I stop buying perpetual upgrades, I will lose the ability to do new work, because I need to maintain interoperability with other people who will have the latest version. Put another way, what on earth could I accomplish today in 2013 with a license of CS2?
Either way, cloud or perpetual, software licensing will be an ongoing expense for my business — indefinitely.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Craig Seeman] “[Walter Soyka] “I pay rent for my office space every month.”
But you can pack your boxes and move to another office and open them.
You currently can’t open your Premiere Pro or After Effects Projects in other programs if you decide to move.The fundamental problem with the Cloud is that if you terminate, you cease to have access to some of your material that can only be opened in the program you no longer have access to.
“Yes, but you can easily get the access back. A lot of it probably depends on your need to go back to old material, as well. Mine isn’t that great. My preference would be to have a perpetual, but I most likely will not walk away from Adobe if they go all Cloud. I do think it might hinder Premiere’s adoption, however.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “look walter – the important thing is that ten or eleven guys on a forum completely freak out – whatever madness adobe have planned… in, er, three weeks time,
that is certain to stop it dead in its tracks.”Here’s a list of things I support:
Perpetual licenses
Creative Cloud
Perpetual licenses plus maintenance contracts
People deciding that subscription isn’t right for them
Ten or eleven guys on a forum completely freaking out in order to stop madness dead in its tracksHere’s a list of things I can’t get behind:
People spreading misinformation
People deciding that because subscription isn’t right for them, it can’t be right for anyoneWalter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Herb Sevush] “On the other hand I can see positive value for an organization to have one perpetual license and then be able to supplement that with cloud versions for as many additional seats as you needed for as long as you needed. It would make a facility extremely flexible to be able to expand and then contract on a project by project basis, but only so long as there was one perpetual license to anchor the whole flow.”
Agreed. This seems like one of the ideal scenarios for a subscription model.
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[Steve Connor] “Which is why it’s relevant for users to express their opinions about this possibility, Adobe clearly listens so if they are considering this then a groundswell of opinion might actually stop it happening.”
Agreed.
The other thing that we need to keep in mind is that we post-production professionals here at the COW represent a just a tiny slice of the global industry that relies on Creative Suite.
Adobe Creative Suite tools are the de facto standard for the entire digital media industry at all levels. I cannot imagine Adobe management would try to force such a radical licensing change on everyone in the world who uses Adobe tools. The blowback would be ungodly. It would make the blowback Microsoft got when they recently tried something similar with Office 2013/365 look like a tea party.
Then again, as much as I’m in complete awe of what Adobe engineers and product managers have achieved in two product cycles, I don’t put it past Marketing and Senior Management to completely F things up.
Please Adobe, don’t blow it. We want to give you our money. Please give us a choice.
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[TImothy Auld] “That, I think, is stealing.”
I’m just saying that in the worst case scenario of all our Creative Cloud apps failing to launch because the ‘phone home’ servers have been turned off there will be workarounds so users can open their projects and migrate out what they need.
I really doubt that we’ll get to a point where overnight Adobe, and all of it’s IP, ceases to exist thus leaving everyone stunned like Baltimore when the Colts moved to Indy.
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I don’t care what century it is, it is still stealing. Because everyone steals is it OK?
Tim
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[TImothy Auld] “I don’t care what century it is, it is still stealing. Because everyone steals is it OK?”
That’s one way of looking at it, here’s another:
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Adobe actually called me while I was reading this! I pointed out the issues discussed here. I’m on the fence. Especially at a time when there is no clear winner in editing software…we are sitting on four FCP 7 seats. I have four Adobe Production Premium CS6 seats as well but have not turned on Premier yet with so many legacy projects.
The dust has not fully settled and Adobe is listening.
Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
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