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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    April 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “That’s kind of how the whole thing works. When you pay for a month, they validate your license for the month. If you don’t pay the next month, last month’s license naturally expires and they don’t re-authorize a new one.

    that is no way to live frankly. I challenge anyone making their living in post to say they actually like the sound of that.

    https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Richard Cardonna

    April 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    The door adobe puts in your computer to enter it everymonth is a door that will can be hacked by some gifted hacker and many things can come in or out of your system.

    I dont have my system connected to the internet nor will they ever.

    I download on another computer or purchase a disk.

    Richard

  • Andy Lewis

    April 17, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Subscription is bad for consumers in the long run because it makes you less likely to change to a competitor. If you decide to jump ship next year, you’ll still have to pay adobe a subscription just to be able to open old projects – maybe for years. So you’re more likely to just stick with adobe even if things go downhill. Changing to FCPX (for example) will mean paying for both systems – including plugins and third party stuff, possibly indefinitely.

    Disincentives to leave a platform mean less pressure on the company to innovate and iterate.

    This is why you get such shitty service from your bank. It’s such a pain to change banks that people put up with it.

  • Mark Dobson

    April 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “That’s kind of how the whole thing works. When you pay for a month, they validate your license for the month. If you don’t pay the next month, last month’s license naturally expires and they don’t re-authorize a new one.”

    Yes – I understand that. There are 2 ways of doing it either on a rolling month to month basis which is considerably more than on a yearly ( pay monthly ) agreement.

    If you decide to stop the yearly contract before it’s conclusion you need to pay 50% of the remaining balance.

    If you take out an annual agreement and then decide that you want to buy the product you will not get any reduction and you will need to pay 50% of the outstanding yearly agreement.

    If you live in the UK you pay Irish VAT? What- does that mean that they are avoiding UK Corporate Tax rules?

  • Walter Soyka

    April 17, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    [Richard Cardonna] “The door adobe puts in your computer to enter it everymonth is a door that will can be hacked by some gifted hacker and many things can come in or out of your system.”

    Richard, this has no basis in fact.

    Adobe does not go into your computer every month.

    The software won’t run without a valid license.

    Your computer goes out to an Adobe authentication server and requests a license for the next month, exactly the same way it does when you install and authorize a perpetual license, or when you install and authorize an application from Apple’s App Store.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

  • Craig Seeman

    April 17, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I’m surprised some people are just realizing this.
    If for any reason you terminate the monthly subscription you can no longer open your projects.

    Yes, internet service is an issue, even if they have a contingency to prevent instant cutoff. The problem is if you have some sort of banking issue it’s conceivable that you may not realize until after the contingency period.

    Ultimately if you decide to leave the fold you’d have to “buy out” the complete Suite so you leave with a licensed copy.

    Basically you are addicted for life otherwise. Obviously that’s good for Adobe. Of course for many this will make no difference if they are happy with Adobe evermore.

    With some irony we see elements of the market moving in the opposite direction with cell carriers moving to unsubsidized and no contract options and, sometimes, unlocked phones.

    The question some may have is whether Adobe will always offer the “buy out” option of paying for the entire suite should one decide to terminate. At the moment they do. Like any corporation they have the right to change their options.

    This is why I “trust” no company.

  • Walter Soyka

    April 17, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “Yes, internet service is an issue, even if they have a contingency to prevent instant cutoff. The problem is if you have some sort of banking issue it’s conceivable that you may not realize until after the contingency period.”

    From the Creative Cloud FAQ [link]:

    If my membership expires or I decide to cancel it, how do I restart it?
    If your month-to-month or annual membership is stopped due to an issue with billing your credit card, you will be notified by email and your software will display an alert that your membership has been suspended. If it has been less than six months since your membership ended, simply navigate to the Account page on https://www.creativecloud.com and make any required updates to your billing information to restart it. If it has been more than six months, you will need to buy a new membership.

    I do understand the arguments against the whole concept of software-as-a-service, but Adobe’s implementation seems to be pretty well thought-out.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

  • Dan Stewart

    April 17, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Thinking some more about this – have Adobe created a situation where it is professionally irresponsible NOT to have a pirated ‘offline’ copy in the office?

  • Jeremy Garchow

    April 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I think, as Dennis alluded to, we should probably wait for an official release with official details.

    Before we start jumping to big giant conclusions.

    Jeremy

  • David Lawrence

    April 17, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    [Sandeep Sajeev] “For those of us who actually run our businesses legally, this new model makes no sense at all. AND the current pricing structure is not going to entice ANY of those companies/individuals pirating your software to go straight.”

    Well said.

    I’m glad folks are realizing that in the end, software rental is really about DRM, not saving money. And it’s a well known fact that DRM punishes legitimate customers rather than stopping piracy.

    Forcing radical change on their entire customer base will not go over well. Adobe needs to be very careful.

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