Cutting a major Hollywood Feature on FCPX

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “And even today, THIS FCP X board is as likely to see posts about Premier Pro as about X. Even tho three’s a host of boards dedicated to Adobe offerings and they’re clearly a significant board sponsor. Yet when I go to the Premier Pro boards (including it’s “Or Not. variant” – and talk about FCP X. It appears to ruffle feathers. “

The posts about PPro, such as this one, fit in with the theme of this forum though. FCP X or Not? If ‘not’ X then what? PPro? Avid? Resolve? Lightworks? FCP Legend? Much of the talk in this forums is about which NLE will ‘take over’ the space vacated by FCP Legend so I think it’s on topic to bring up various NLEs in here.

The Adobe CC: The Debate forum is similar nature yet different in focus in that it’s not about NLE’s but about business models (subscription vs perpetual license). Posting about FCP X being used by a post house covering the Tour de France isn’t really applicable but posting about how Avid MC now has both subscription and perpetual licensing options is.

[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Aranyshev] “The irony is track names in BWF files is metadata. It is there to grab and use for any app.”

Not having one in front of me I can’t be sure, but if the channels in the BWF use the track names, that would carry over to any exported clips as well. It won’t change the roles, but the track name will show up on the exported clips in the DAW. Maybe… lemme dig up a BWF with named channels somewhere…

EDIT: Nope. the BWF Metadata isn’t preserved, unless I’m missing something. Feature request time! 🙂
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[Steve Connor]

If this forum was JUST about FCP X then it wouldn’t get the traffic that it does, it’s much broader at times and that what makes it so interesting.

[Tim Wilson]

[Bill Davis] “Bottom line. This is a debate place, or it’s not. “

And indeed, this has been a place for healthy debate for 19 years.

The only two things I said were beyond the scope of reasonable debate are that a tiny handful of people who used to post here are gone (which is true), or that it reflects any kind of general exodus (false), or any significant reduction of the relevance of Creative COW as part of a rounded diet of FCPX-ness web-wide (likewise, false).

My comments about 2011 were in response to Gary’s riposte, which I took as no more than playful. But in stating the general calm now now, I felt it would be disingenuous of me to fail to acknowledge that things were in fact a bit of a zoo here at the time.

It was a reasonable point of reference. Somebody who bailed a while back necessarily has a false view of the current state of things. FCPX has changed, and so have we.

Perhaps for some people, neither has changed enough. LOL That’s one thing. To extrapolate from a handful of people to “PEOPLE” is another, especially when the number of PEOPLE coming here is growing so much.

I certainly apologize for the suggestion that YOU used the word dicks or anything of the sort. I never thought that you did. Absolutely not. That was all me.

It was my obviously misguided attempt to keep a playful vibe moving forward for that part of the conversation, acknowledging that I’m sometimes as bad about stirring things up here as anyone else. Being a dick and all. LOL Which I know I can be.

The rest, I was fully serious about.

I’m flabbergasted by the suggestion that I’m shuttering debate because I’m unwilling to let a baseless canard ABOUT the COW stand unchallenged IN the COW. My response was solely to falsehoods that didn’t exist here until you brought them unbidden.

I don’t care if it was quoted by you from sacred scrolls or from a bathroom wall. Bring bad information about the COW into the COW, and I will refute it.

For the rest, play on.

As we veer further off topic on this, I’ve said my piece. I’ll let anyone else who wishes to have the final word do so. I heartily invite anyone who’s interested to engage me further to contact me directly. I always love hearing from people actually doing work, rather than people like me who mostly just talk about it. LOL

[Bill Davis]

[Andrew Kimery] “he Adobe CC: The Debate forum is similar nature yet different in focus in that it’s not about NLE’s but about business models (subscription vs perpetual license).”

Huh?

So FXP X or not .. Fine to Bring up Premier or other NLEs.

But Adobe CC or not … can’t talk other NLEs only “business models” ???

IF Adobe Premier was still a standalone software package that MIGHT make sense since the program and the “business model” could be conceivably seen as two different things.

But that’s NOT the case any longer. IF you wish to use Adobe PP, you MUST use CC.

Essentially, access to the program and acceptance of the cloud model are one and the same business decision by Adobe’s design.

So I’m gonna kinda call FOUL on requiring them to be treated different – when they’re really NOT.

Fair is fair. And if OR NOT means Adobe discussions in X forums, then OR NOT kinda has to suppose that X discussions in Adobe Forums are fair too. (I’m pretty sure this all falls under the transitive property of equality – but I was sick that week in High School, so I might be wrong about that. )

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[Bill Davis]

[Michael Aranyshev] “Look, people, you must have titanium wrists with kevlar nerves to do so much mouse–clicking.”

Naw, with X we’re generally getting our work done much faster so we’re spending more time at home with our familes- so overall, far less wrist stress.

; )

(that and the 300 keyboard shortcuts and customizing system that’s built in for more!)

(sorry, I just could’t resist.)

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[Misha Aranyshev]

Really? So how many keystrokes it takes to sync a single take with corresponding production sound when you don’t have matching timecode nor the on-camera sound ?

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Michael Aranyshev] “I frankly have no idea. I’ll probably have to go through all clips naming individual tracks and muting all except the production mix. Charge the producer an extra week or two. T”

I would emplore you to take another look at how to do this in X. It does not take a week to turn audio components on and off. It’s so easy in X and you don’t have to rearrange the timeline to get a separate mix out.

If you had 1000 clips that were matching audio channels, you can name each audio channel at once.

You select all 1000 clips, command-4, click audio tab, name channel 1, name channel 2…channel 4. Done.

Those names will now follow those clips around until you change them.

If you assigned Roles/Subroles, you could eve assign exactly what channels make it out of the export, or do many different audio configs from the timeline.

You can also mute Roles/Subroles in the index or in the inspector. It does look like a track based system, but all of the capabilities you are talking about are possible in X. Sync n Link makes it even easier.

[Walter Soyka]

[Bill Davis] “Fair is fair. And if OR NOT means Adobe discussions in X forums, then OR NOT kinda has to suppose that X discussions in Adobe Forums are fair too.”

It’s not like it’s against the rules to post about “Or Not” software in the CC Debate forum. It’s just that the community there tends to talk about subscription software.

It’s a pity that people hold such an outdated view of this group. Why, it’s almost even as unreasonable as someone clinging to a 3-year-old view of FCPX!

I haven’t done any kind of formal study, but it seems to me that this forum is now largely pro-FCPX. This mirrors my experience in real life where FCPX was treated with suspicion at first (rightfully, just as early versions of every NLE ever have been) but that people have come around as the application has matured and met the early, reasonable objections.

This place still has some of the most interesting general post-production discussion anywhere.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Michael Aranyshev] “Really? So how many keystrokes it takes to sync a single take with corresponding production sound when you don’t have matching timecode nor the on-camera sound ?”

Do you have a clapper? If so, mark the video clap, mark the audio clap and sync to markers. This isn’t magic, this is real work that need to be done in any NLE.

If you do have guide track audio, you simply synchronize clips.