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CS6 is released – so what now?
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[Tim Wilson] “Talking to one COW who’ll be writing about it for us soon, he said that he found FCPX unusable for his workflow, he now finds FCP 7 unusable for his sanity. He was forced to realize how unhappy he’d been with 7, especially on the performance front and how “un-modern” (his word) it has felt, for a very long time.”
I’ve had to spend a good deal of time going back and forth between FCP7 and FCPX on a number of projects recently.
I found FCP7 to be as stable and stalwart as ever but un-modern as well. Apple introduced some very fast and intuitive alternatives in X – I think you could honestly say it’s an evolution in many regards. As a creative director that also floats between a Digital Performer studio and traditional and web design studios, I was increasingly tired of how tired FCP was feeling in comparison to our other tools.
In many ways X is the tool I was hoping for. In many ways it isn’t.
Here’s what I can say definitively. After a few projects in FCP7 the last month, I hopped over and got 7toX, converted all relevant FCP7 projects into XML files and haven’t looked back.
X is simply a better over all environment than 7 on most levels, in my experience.
It’s a shame that they’ve let their user base dangle while waiting for basic industry features, but as it is now, warts and all, we can do a lot more a lot faster than in 7. -
[Chris Harlan] “Cool, man. X is still theoretically on my Summer list, buts its moved a notch or two down. I’m still interested, though.
“It could give you something to do, on break with the trees that will never be clients.
It’s a report I’d love to hear – you, X, and a long weekend in the woods.
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Not sure why everybody is still beating up FCPX anyway it has received everything that was missing (from all the b1tchen) at launch. And there is more coming (road map anybody)
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[Tim Wilson] “but as much as I love (and HIGHLY RECOMMEND) Media Composer and especially Symphony w/Boris Continuum Complete (you kinda hafta buy that just on principal, don’t you?), they’re not all in one solutions. “
Although that’s completely true, the ironic fact is that I’ve been able to do a lot more complex compositing in MC and Symphony than I’ve ever done in AE, Motion or other tools. Heck, I’ve done composites in the original MC 7.2 for a theme park show that I couldn’t do in Illusion (Avid’s flagship effects tool of the day) – and that’s been seen by probably well over 100 million folks since 2000. As goofy as Avid’s nesting is, once you get comfortable with things like animatte, you can actually do some very intricate things. Would I recommend it over Smoke or DS as a true finishing tool? – No. But, for the editor who wants to do a lot inside one tool without ever leaving that one interface, it’s pretty hard to beat for what you can actually accomplish. Especially for $1K (cross grade until 6/15).
That being said, the Premiere Pro/AE/SpeedGrade combo is likely going to compete quite well against Smoke in the market. At least that’s my bet.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Thomas, I know you are being amusingly confrontational and I won’t bite on the last sentence, but to say that X has everything back in from the bitchin list is just plain wrong. Don’t forget there are things on that list that will never go back in like tape in/out support.
I hope we are past the silly arguments and it seems the recent discussions of the pros and cons of CS6 show that this forum has moved into a nice groove of good feedback on features and capabilities as well as personal preferences.
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[Bill Davis] “Not sure I understand the analogy Oliver.
While iMovie files can feed X, I can’t imagine the business …..
…..Isn’t Prelude mostly a reflection of Adobe’s current orientation where ..
…but are NOT marketed to be the single solution as a standalone?”I’m simply saying iMovie could in fact function as such. FCP X is already more than most non-editing-savvy clients/producers/journalists can cope with. Not saying it would be the way Apple chooses to approach it, but I do know they’ve been told by a few broadcast networks that a tool like iMovie does have a place in their operation for reporter-level video jockeys.
As far as Prelude, Adobe will in fact sell it as a standalone product to enterprises on volume licenses. Quite frankly it makes no sense to me to have it only in the suite. If you have Premiere, why wouldn’t you just start there? Especially since you can’t break up the apps in the bundle and do individual installations of isolated apps on various machines. Seems like Prelude would be better as a free app, or one that a customer could freely install on any machine, or a cheap standalone app offered via the web or even the App Store.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “As far as Prelude, Adobe will in fact sell it as a standalone product to enterprises on volume licenses. Quite frankly it makes no sense to me to have it only in the suite. If you have Premiere, why wouldn’t you just start there? Especially since you can’t break up the apps in the bundle and do individual installations of isolated apps on various machines. Seems like Prelude would be better as a free app, or one that a customer could freely install on any machine, or a cheap standalone app offered via the web or even the App Store.”
Have you messed with Prelude yet?
It’s not an editor, it’s more of an assembly tool. It has a “rough cut” feature, but it’s not really cutting.
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[Bill Davis] “Just Saturday, I produced a 12-camera four song music video shoot with a 5 piece jazz combo. I was already skimming the content, applying keywords, viewing scenes, and organizing assets within 10 minutes of wrap with nothing but a pair of MacBook Pros on set. Thanks to X, 48 hours later, the whole show is already in my event browser and I’m tagging my little heart out.”
And I could’ve sworn that just last summer you were aghast at my hope for a 25 angle limitation for the FCPX multi-cam; you were hoping that 8 cameras would be the max for anything FCPX created for multicam. Something about how more than 8 camera’s might bloat the programs code, and now here you are cutting a 12 camera video.
Ain’t it funny how time slips away …
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Oliver Peters] “PS: I don’t count Smoke as a good all-in-one tool, because you really wouldn’t start the offline edit of a big job in it. It’s a finishing tool best paired with something else. In that sense, DS would better fit your definition.
“I haven’t seen the new tools yet, but that’s sort of how I’m expecting it to be: a fast, rough cut in Media Composer, and then polish and pizazz in Smoke.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Have you messed with Prelude yet?
It’s not an editor, it’s more of an assembly tool. It has a “rough cut” feature, but it’s not really cutting.”Yes, I have. I don’t think anyone said it was an editor. Of course, I don’t consider iMovie much of an editor either 😉 Prelude is a logging/transcoding application with rough cut assembly capabilities. Sort of like DH’s Movie Logger mashed up with QT Pro and Avid AMA .
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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