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CS6 is released – so what now?
Aindreas Gallagher replied 14 years, 3 months ago 25 Members · 77 Replies
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Andy Field
May 9, 2012 at 3:02 pm`Key – Maximize current Frame —
Great shortcut – but if you have the FINAL CUT PRO 7 keyboard shortcuts chosen as your default you must use SHIFT plus the ` (key next to the number 1 on your keyboard) to toggle full frame on and off of the window you are working in
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
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Thomas Frank
May 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm[Walter Soyka] “While we’re on the subject of skimming and hover scrub, I think that the naming of these features really exhibits the difference in mindset between Apple and Adobe. “
Final Cut Pro 7 and earlier had this option also… but for some reason in FCPX its not Pro.
[Walter Soyka] “”Skimming” is a simplified, accessible name which gives the gist of the feature without any other detail, while “hover scrub” combines two technical terms to describe precisely what the feature does and how to use it. It’s interesting to see both companies executing their philosophies, even in relatively minor details like this.”
I would say the simplified way is the better way, but does this really separate what is pro or not or am I just missing the point that you are just finding the terminology interesting?
Yeah the shortcut does rock for that setup. I really dig it also!
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Walter Soyka
May 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm[Thomas Frank] “Final Cut Pro 7 and earlier had this option also… but for some reason in FCPX its not Pro.”
Thomas, I think you’re arguing with people who have left the room. I don’t think anyone still here thinks that skimming is unprofessional.
After learning FCPX, losing the skimmer was probably the most painful part of jumping back to FCP7 for me. The alt-click and drag picon approach never really felt right.
[Thomas Frank] “I would say the simplified way is the better way, but does this really separate what is pro or not or am I just missing the point that you are just finding the terminology interesting?”
Yeah, I was just talking about how the differences in terminology for a similar feature reveal the two developers’ underlying differences in design philosophy.
I rather like that “hover scrub” tells you exactly what the feature does and exactly how to use it. I’m very comfortable with Adobe making the baseline assumption that I know a thing or two about what I’m doing.
Speaking now in the abstract, I will often choose a more complicated tool for more flexibility, power, or nuance, but this is always a balancing act. Simplicity is good until something is oversimplified and reduces benefits, and complexity is acceptable until something is overcomplicated for the benefits it offers.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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Oliver Peters
May 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm[Tim Wilson] “FCP 7 will be usable until a new camera format requires a change…”
I’m not sure I agree. FCP 7 pretty much hit the wall with high data rate ProRes. If you attempt to do a big session with lots of ProRes4444 or even ProRes mixed with Canon XF codecs you quickly run out of gas (“out-of-memory” errors) and crash a lot. Mixed codec timelines get very glitchy when part of the timeline is rendered and part unrendered. So yes, as an offline edit tool, it still works, but it’s becoming increasing a PITA to deal with when they are better options available.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Oliver Peters
May 9, 2012 at 7:05 pm[Tim Wilson] “To me, that title goes to Smoke. It’s especially interesting to me that, among its many other features, Smoke can import FCPX as well as FCP 7 projects, “
PS: I don’t count Smoke as a good all-in-one tool, because you really wouldn’t start the offline edit of a big job in it. It’s a finishing tool best paired with something else. In that sense, DS would better fit your definition.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Jim Giberti
May 9, 2012 at 7:35 pmI’ve only spent a little time in PP6 but we’ve been doing a ton (for a boutique shop) of fairly complex work in X since the 1.0.4 update and I at least owe Apple a little nod.
When I get a break I’m going to write something on our recent round of work in X and Motion 5, but for now I’ll say that PP6 looks nice but not enough to make me move from X.
I’m very anxious to see Apple’s promised audio upgrade.
If they give the color board the simple attention it needs in functionality and restore round-tripping to Motion, they could have a very nice, complete tool box for many/most projects that we and others will supplement as needed with MB, Resolve and DAWs. -
Chris Harlan
May 9, 2012 at 7:50 pm[Jim Giberti] “we’ve been doing a ton (for a boutique shop) of fairly complex work in X since the 1.0.4 update”
So 1.0.4 has given you the stability you need? No more nightmares? (touch wood)
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Tim Wilson
May 9, 2012 at 7:52 pm[Oliver Peters] “I’m not sure I agree.”
I don’t disagree with your disagreement. I was trying to be charitable. 🙂
Talking to one COW who’ll be writing about it for us soon, he said that he found FCPX unusable for his workflow, he now finds FCP 7 unusable for his sanity. He was forced to realize how unhappy he’d been with 7, especially on the performance front and how “un-modern” (his word) it has felt, for a very long time.
That’s the thing I think gets overlooked in the “What’s the hurry? X hasn’t even been out for a year.” Well, given what a minor release 7 was three years ago, and that the big thing in 6 was ProRes, you have to go back 5 years since there was a major change in the editing experience (multicam). It hasn’t been a “modern” NLE for a long time.
Anyway, point also taken re: Smoke…but as much as I love (and HIGHLY RECOMMEND) Media Composer and especially Symphony w/Boris Continuum Complete (you kinda hafta buy that just on principal, don’t you?), they’re not all in one solutions.
Even though they’re part of a suite, Premiere Pro/AE might be closer to what most people want from a single integrated product anyway.
Tim Wilson
Associate Publisher, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COW Magazine
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Jim Giberti
May 9, 2012 at 8:02 pm[Chris Harlan] “So 1.0.4 has given you the stability you need? No more nightmares? (touch wood)
“Overall I think the stability issues came directly from X’s lack of proper memory management and bloat – and an obvious issue with outside graphics that, when combined with the former issues, induced corrupted projects and media
Once we became scrupulous about managing this it’s been good.I haven’t had enough sample time to say anything definitively, but I noticed greater speed and fluidity immediately when moving in and out of and copying between the Project Browser. Enough so that I’m seeing the Project Browser as a very useable approach to working between multiple projects.
I can honestly say I was delighted at how fast I was able to output several adaptations of a campaign yesterday. As I evolve with it I find a lot of things that it’s very good at. I just hope they get a fire under their collective asses on the X team and realize that they need to catch up on the stuff that’s not fluid or acceptably evolved by comparison.
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Chris Harlan
May 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm[Jim Giberti] “I can honestly say I was delighted at how fast I was able to output several adaptations of a campaign yesterday. “
Cool, man. X is still theoretically on my Summer list, buts its moved a notch or two down. I’m still interested, though.
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