CS3 — P2 card—yes or no?

[Harm Millaard]

DVCPro-HD is not yet supported.

[Tim Kolb]

I use CineForm. It converts the DVC ProHD P2 files to CineForm files.

The nice thing for me was being able to move to 10 bit for color correction.

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[Jerry Waters]

The Cineform products for PP also replace the preview engine in PP, allowing HD footage to preview real time. It is an excellent product.

JerryW

[Vince Becquiot]

Letting an application rely on too many third party plugins makes that application a lot less affordable and attractive in the end, not to use the term “deceptive”.

This is actually really my ONLY major issue with the great application that Premiere has become, especially now that we have come into CS3.

If Apple can bring P2 in into FCP natively (before CS3 came out), there is no reason Adobe couldn’t. Apple is in the business of building computers and iPods after all…

DVC Pro and DVC Pro HD are becoming such a ubiquitous format that one can only hope Adobe will come running down with an update on this major flaw.

Tic, tac…

Vince

[Blast1]

Its a matter of licencing, and how many would use the product

[Tim Kolb]

[Vincent Becquiot] “If Apple can bring P2 in into FCP natively (before CS3 came out), there is no reason Adobe couldn’t. Apple is in the business of building computers and iPods after all…”

Vincent,

Call up Panasonic and tell them to license the codec to Adobe…then call Steve Jobs and ask him to let Panasonic out of the agreement…

I think that Raylight is as close to a “native” DVC ProHD codec as there is on PPro, though I don’t know if they can ingest from a DVC ProHD VTR via FireWire as data even though the codec itself is basically a technical clone, as Canopus HD is…from my understanding…

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[Jeff Kosmicki]

Matrox Axio allows you to import MXF natively into Premiere (and AE), no rendering or converting.

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[Tim Kolb]

[Jeff Kosmicki] ”
Matrox Axio allows you to import MXF natively into Premiere (and AE), no rendering or converting.”

I had forgotten about that. I wonder if that works similarly to Raylight or the decoder in the HDV Rack software?

There does seem to be a difference in approach for compatibility between P2 based MXF DVC ProHD media and tape-based. When I think about DVC ProHD compatibility in general, I tend to think about bringing in a Varicam tape and ingesting it via FireWire and cutting it native like FCP. MXF does add a “standard” (as long as you don’t compare all of it’s various implementations) wrapper.

Currently Raylight brings P2 onto the timeline in an identical, but I don’t think compatible (for FW out to a 1200 DVCPHD VTR for instance) codec. CineForm and the (now) Adobe On Location P2 module can decode the media for transcode. I wonder if Matrox’s approach is similar to Raylight?

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[Jeff Kosmicki]

In Axio (any of the three versions) you can load DVCPro HD via FW from a camera or deck creating 100Mb/s AVIs (it will recognize VariCam frame rates as well as native 24pN). MXF files import right from the P2 card or off a hardrive to the bin without converting, as a .mxf clip. You can output the Premiere timeline, via FW, back to a DVCPro HD using any format on the timeline, as long as the output from Axio is compatable (basically in the preferences you tell Axio to output as 720p 60fps). Axio adds support for the formats Adobe ignores, like DVCPro 50, XDcam, IMX, and JVC ProHD.

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[Vince Becquiot]

I know about the licensing deal, which I think as more to do with the fact that Apple has spent more time and money designing their system and collaborating with Panasonic, but as far as I know AvidXpress and Edius also supports DVCPro HD natively without Raylight.

Sounds more than just an Apple exclusive, and I can’t think of any reason why Panasonic would want to restrict the use of its codec to other NLEs, they are a corporation after all, money is money.

Vince