CS 5 Multicamera

[Alex Udell]

Regarding audio: After creating the Multicam nest, I usually just cut the original audio back in, then perform edits that affect only the video track.

re: Select all clips of a certain take….hmmm what’s the application here. why? I don’t understand…but I will say that for say for sync reasons….typically ripple deleting with multi-cam is something I steer clear of.

Alex

[Jonathan Hay]

That’s sounds like a good method as long as you create a master audio track first (which should not be a problem).

Any ideas on how to select all the clips of a certain track. Or more generally, how do you quickly delete unwanted footage as you are doing multi-cam?

Thanks
Jonathan

System:CS5, Vegas 8.1, Windows7, i920 w/8GB

[Alex Udell]

Hi Jonathan,

for sync reasons…I’m thinking it’s a 2 step process…

cut the multi-cam

(make a copy of that sequence)

ripple edit the copy

if you ripple delete selected source while editing, I would think sync issues would come into play…no?

Alex

[Jonathan Hay]

I’m still missing a piece. The use case is during the multicamera editing I have bad video where I don’t want any of my tracks. What is the quickest way to delete this unwanted footage as I’m doing multi-cam editing.

I was thinking I could pick a track with dummy footage and then ripple delete any clip that had this take number, but I can not find a way of selecting all footage on a certain take.

Is there a better way?

Thanks
Jonathan

System:CS5, Vegas 8.1, Windows7, i920 w/8GB

[Alex Udell]

Based on what you are suggesting, it sounds like you want to edit the multi cam source sequence and optimize it prior to actually doing the multi-cam switch edit. Am I getting closer to understanding you?

Alex

[Eric Monroe]

Jonathon, it sounds like you have talked with a Final Cut Pro editor…..is this the case?

For the last 5 years I have done long form multi-cam editing using the Adobe CS software. To the best of my knowledge, you cannot do what you are trying to do…..not in PPro anyway.

In PPro, you HAVE to cut/switch your multicam seq, then go back through the seq. and remove any unwanted sections of footage, and apply whatever transitions you desire to make them flow together nicely.

(example: when a scene ends on stage, and there is a 3-4 minute set change, I dont want that in my final DVD, so after cutting the multicam I go back through the whole seq, and cut out those sections and apply transitions there to make a smooth fade from one scene to the next. Place Encore chapter markers etc.)

Alex is VERY CORRECT to say “make a duplicate of your nested/switched seq” just in case something goes wrong when you start deleting sections of footage……this way you can go back to the original multicam seq and try again if something goes wrong.

Now onto my first question….about talking to an FCP editor. You CAN do what you are asking in FCP. I would still HIGHLY recommend cutting/switching your entire seq. first, then going back and taking out the “bad footage”. If you are running a 3 camera shoot, you can “go live / switch to” camera 4’s window and have only black there (just like you were doing in PPro) but with FCP you can use the “Find All” command to go back after your multicam is cut, and tell FCP to find every instance of Camera 4 (all black) in your multicam seq. and rip those out. Done in seconds. Now if your cuts are pristine, you might not have to transition the spots where you removed the “bad shots”.

Also in FCP your multicam viewer window, your “LIVE” camera viewer, and your timeline are all “locked” together. In PPro your timeline becomes inactive in the background because PPro’s multicam viewer window has its own timeline, and “LIVE” camera viewer. So if you are editing along in PPro and you make a late cut, you have to stop “recording” go to your timeline, activate it, perform your rolling edit, and then reactivate your multicam window, hit play, begin recording again, get back to switching. UGGGGGH. In FCP since all of the windows work together, I watch the 3 cameras in the multicam viewer, watch the live at the same time in the other viewer, and it makes the cuts to my timeline LIVE. If I make a late cut in FCP, my timeline is ALWAYS active, I just hit the space bar to stop, make my rolling edit, and then hit the spacebar again to start cutting……simple…..easy…..(Apple) :o)

I hope this has helped you. Oh and as far as audio waveform in PPro (another thing that FCP does automatically) Alex was correct there as well, just copy and paste the audio from inside your nest over into your multicam seq. (just make sure it is lined up correctly)

I switched late last year to a Mac, and FCP…..I will never look back. A buddy of mine who does some editing work for me, still uses PPro on my other machine….so admittedly I still have projects in PPro, but I myself have move entirely to FCP. My $5,000 PC is now in my living room hooked to my bigscreen for watching movies, and playing COD Modern Warfare 2. I have 2 editing stations now, one is a macbook pro 13″ and the other I picked up last week….a brand new Mac mini. I edit full 1920×1080 3-4 camera multiclip edits in FCP on both these machines….no stuttering, no lagging….just smooth editing.

I hope this has helped you some.

Good Luck.

Eric

[Jonathan Hay]

Eric, Yes I have friends that edit with FCP. A few months back I thought of getting a Mac but I thought the transition would be too expensive if I needed all new software. So I bought a PC with windows 7 and then found out that almost none of my software worked. Vegas 8.1 works but now has trouble rendering, capturing, and several other items. So I ended up with new software too. I wish I had moved to Mac/FCP. That said I’m sure I’ll get Premiere going nicely. As I mostly do long form multi-camera I wish I had known FCP was a bit easier here.

Thanks again both Alex and Eric for the explaination.

Jonathan

Thanks
Jonathan

System:CS5, Vegas 8.1, Windows7, i920 w/8GB