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  • Crop still has black bars when saving

    Posted by John Riker on February 17, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    I am using Sony Vegas 12 and have a video with black bars on the top and bottom. I create a new project and use the source video to allow vegas to determine the project settings. It’s 1920×1080. I then crop the top and bottom with the crop tool to 1920×800. I then render the video and set the output to 1920×800. The final video still has bars on the top and bottom. Am I doing something wrong?

    THanks.

    JR

    John Rofrano replied 13 years, 2 months ago 3 Members · 9 Replies
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  • Mike Kujbida

    February 17, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    What format and size is your source video?
    If my event doesn’t match my project properties (a common case with stills), I open up the Pan/Crop window, right click in the middle of it and select “Match Out Aspect”.
    That takes care of the black bars.

  • John Riker

    February 17, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Video was M2TS. Extracted the H264 file and put it into an MP4 container with Yamb. For reference video is 25.4Mbps, 1920×1080 (bars), 23.976fps.

    Thanks.

    JR

  • John Rofrano

    February 17, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    [John Riker] ” I create a new project and use the source video to allow vegas to determine the project settings. It’s 1920×1080. “

    That’s your problem right there. The reason it asks to match your source media is because it assumes that this is what you will want to render to, but in your case you do not! If you want to render to 1920×800 with no black bars then you need to set your project to 1920×800.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Riker

    February 17, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Thanks for the info. I’ll give it a try. Question. So when I set my project to 1920×800, import my mp4, then drag it to the timeline it asks if I want to set the project video settings to match the media. Assume the answer is NO?

    Thanks.

    JR

  • John Rofrano

    February 18, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    [John Riker] ” Question. So when I set my project to 1920×800, import my mp4, then drag it to the timeline it asks if I want to set the project video settings to match the media. Assume the answer is NO?”

    That’s correct. Since you are doing something that is non-standard, you don’t want your project to match your media.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Riker

    February 20, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Well it’s a wait and see game right now, however I set the video to 1920×800. Then cropped the 1080 down to 800. Picture filled the available space. I then rendered at 1920×800 and as it renders the preview window is now showing the black bars as it renders. Project and preview window still say 1920×800. I’m going to assume if the preview window is still showing the black bars they will be there in the final.

    JR

  • John Rofrano

    February 21, 2013 at 2:09 am

    If the project is 1920×800 and the render is 1920×800 and you cropped all of the media to 1920×800 by right-clicking in the Pan/Crop window and using Match Output Aspect then your output should not have black bars.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Riker

    February 21, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Can this have to do with the aspect ratio of the film? Difference between the original source and the cut version on output? So the input is 1920×1080 (1.777) and the output is 1920×800 (2.4)? I know when you load it in Vegas and select the video initially as the source format, it picks 1.2121 for the aspect ratio but they don’t physically list the standard ones i’m used to.

    Thanks.

    JR

  • John Rofrano

    February 22, 2013 at 12:32 am

    [John Riker] “Can this have to do with the aspect ratio of the film?”

    Well… for some reason you are changing the aspect ratio. I assumed that you know why you are doing this. I didn’t questions it, I only told you how to accomplish this.

    [John Riker] “So the input is 1920×1080 (1.777) and the output is 1920×800 (2.4)?”

    That’s why you are cropping, because the aspects don’t match.

    [John Riker] ” I know when you load it in Vegas and select the video initially as the source format, it picks 1.2121 for the aspect ratio but they don’t physically list the standard ones i’m used to.”

    You are confusing Pixel Aspect Ratio with Frame Ratios. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

    1.2121 is the Pixel Aspect Ratio of DV Widescreen. If your footage is 1920×1080 the Pixel Aspect Ratio should be 1.0. There are some serious problems if Vegas thinks your 1920×1080 has a PAR of 1.2121.

    What you need to do is set the PAR to 1.0 for everything you do. Then and only then will your render come out correctly.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

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