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Creative Cloud – Some Peace of Mind Offered…
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[Jim Giberti] “It’s terribly written, with all the acumen and insight of a junior high term paper.”
Yeah, here’s one thing that’s complete b.s. from that article:
Nobody is holding a shotgun to your head making you buy their products. There are lots of alternatives.
There aren’t really that many alternatives. I’ve looked at GIMP…it’s a nightmare UI design. Functional, yes, but not a replacement. Lightworks? Requires a yearly subscription to be usable (no XDCam, AVCHD, ProRes, XF, or H.264 support without paying them $60 per year).
But for people like me, the switch to the Creative Cloud has been a Godsend. I personally couldn’t be happier about the plan. I get more frequent updates.
Bullshit. Adobe has been updating about at the same pace since CS3 came out. Updates haven’t been automagically been installed to my machine with Creative Cloud, though I simply have a second option now (I can install updates through Adobe Application Manager, or through the “Updates” function under the help menu).
The haters simply don’t understand it.
Please, this is the same stupid crap the FCPXers keep spouting, and it’s equally as ridiculous here. I have had a good experience with CC and yet I completely see the point from the other side of the coin. Not to say there isn’t a ton of FUD being spread, but it is what it is.
The haters say Adobe is greedy. Apparently they didn’t see that Adobe just made CS2 free of charge (edit). How greedy of them. Here’s the link — https://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/.
Wow, and that was completely not true. Even on the link it says you shouldn’t download it unless you own it.
The haters think that if they create PSD files and then stop subscribing they will never be able to open those files again. This is just plain stupid and just plain wrong. I know of about 10 different software programs that not only open but manipulate PSD files. You also always have the option of saving TIFF files, etc.
Well, yes. If the software stops working and you can’t even get into it to save a different version (are we seriously supposed to be constantly saving two versions just in case this happens? That’s stupid.), and then, say, GIMP can’t open the PSD correctly (as has been reported here for certain files), you are in a shit-load of trouble.
They have more incentive than ever to improve the program. If they don’t keep it current, then you cancel your subscription and switch to something else.
Again, assuming you can just switch to something else. What exactly? We had to bust monopolies in the past because it’s not simply a foregone conclusion that if you treat your customers like crap, they’ll just move on to something else. There’s not always something else to move onto. Just look at the state of ISPs in the U.S.
10. (This is the REAL reason for 90% of the noise!) The haters are mad because they realize they can no longer pirate copies of Photoshop.
Oh come on. Adobe software will be even easier to pirate now. Do you heat me? EVEN EASIER. Why? Because it connects to an activation service once every thirty days. How to pirate? Fake activation server that runs locally. They’ve been doing this sort of thing since Windows 7/Office 2010, so I’d assume they have it pretty well down by now.
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“there isn’t another after effects or photoshop”
Which is why Adobe can set up the payment plan they want – they’ve made a huge investment – now they’re making their profit. If you run a business and don’t do this you don’t remain in business very long.
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
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“I want to buy the damn license, Andy”
If you hold your breath and turn blue, I’m sure they’ll change their mind.
Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
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[Andy Field] “Which is why Adobe can set up the payment plan they want – they’ve made a huge investment – now they’re making their profit. If you run a business and don’t do this you don’t remain in business very long.”
They’ve been making a profit for well before Creative Cloud. Seriously, I’m having to trash my own side of this issue because of the b.s.
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The reason Adobe has a monopoly, at least with After Effects, is that it’s the best compositing tool out there for the price. I owned and loved Combustion, but it never really competed (I think that was Discreet Logic’s mismanagement, and the fact that it competed with their high-end tools) with AE, although at the time it had a better keyer, tracker, and several other features (animated vector paint comes to mind) that blew AE away.
I think the strength of Adobe lies in its’ integration of the toolset. Everything looks similar – faster learning path – everything works with all the other apps – great integration. Why wouldn’t it have a monopoly? For what I do – it’s the best choice!
The argument here – I hope – will stick to the purchasing mechanism, not the software…
Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
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[Andy Field] “If you hold your breath and turn blue, I’m sure they’ll change their mind.”
Yeah, because bitching over licensing schemes never works.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I keep seeing the dooms day scenario of people saying, “Well, certainly now that Adobe has this subscription model they will certain stop innovating” and I don’t understand the logic behind that.”
You can’t really say either way at one point. To many people, the suite feels nearly complete. Perhaps there isn’t much left to innovate on…perhaps there is.
Only time will tell.
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[Gary Huff] “You are, of course, making a huge leap that such a thing exists.
“Exactly, but I assume Andy’s post was intentionally snarky.
A monopoly is a monopoly and as a rule (and for historically great reason) they are frowned upon by societies.
I like Adobe products.
We live by them day to day with PS, Illustrator and Dreamweaver as mainstays in my shop.
But it’s pretty obvious who’s best interest this big move serves.
I seriously doubt that the senior meetings leading up to it began with, or ended with, or included, “What’s in the best interest of our users”.You can definitely parse it and find different advantages for different levels of users, but come on, there’s one unequivocal and ongoing beneficiary of this move and it’s the monopolizer.
Creative Cloud is simply a clever euphemism.
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Adobe stock has lost market value during the last 2 days after the announcment, so maybe that will work.
Maybe thats why the adobe CEo just said that they where not planning any CS version instead of saying that there will be no future CS version. HMM. an escape hatch?
Richard
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “The argument here – I hope – will stick to the purchasing mechanism, not the software…
“Have you seen it otherwise Joseph?
All I’ve read on the internet so far (aside fro the occasional, but expected, “class action” nonsense) is regarding the new business model.
I cant see why anyone passionate about their creative would suddenly be antagonistic toward the tools the use to achieve it.
I absolutely understand why passionate creative people would suddenly be questioning the sudden change in the way they own/operate/budget these critical tools.
An over-arching expression aways comes to mind at times like these: Question Authority.
Accountability is a wonderful thing in all aspects of life and something that becomes more and more evanescent as individuals and corporations become more insular.
At it’s essence, Creative Cloud is not a way for Adobe to connect more with it’s clients or provide them better products and service; it’s a way for them to be more profitable, first and foremost.
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