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Creating MOV for broadcast
I’m trying to render a suitable MOV of a 30 second spot, for delivery to the TV station.
The station says they want an uncompressed MOV. This results in a file that is well over 1 gig (I’m supposed to upload the spot to their site, so this is way to big).
Now they’ve clarified that the MOV should be done with the DV/DVC-PRO format. This results in a much more manageable file size (110 MB), however, the quality is horrible. It’s much worse than an internet quality mpg, and certainly nothing that you’d want to broadcast.
Is Vegas just really bad at rendering MOV files? I have the latest Quicktime player installed on my computer, for what it’s worth.
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13 Replies
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To give you a reference point:
30 seconds of DV-AVI = 108 Meg
30 seconds of UNCOMPRESSED AVI = 1.16 Gig
So, your sizes sound reasonable to me. I’ve never been real fond of Vegas’ rendering to MOV formats.
Edward Troxel
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The best MOV files I do are with the 3ivx codec. You can set parameters that you can’t with the Sorenson codec that comes in Vegas (unless you spend $300 for the Sorenson program). With the right settings it always looks good. I’ve never tried it with uncompressed. All I know is that uncompressed is huge.
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There must be something wrong with Quicktime’s DV/DVCPRO-NTSC codec for the PC.
I’ve tried using Vegas and After Effects to render such a file, and both result in horrible video quality.
Then I tried using Quicktime Pro… same result.
Whether I start with an NTSC AVI file, or an uncompressed MOV file, even Quicktime Pro can’t render a decent looking DV/DVCPRO-NTSC MOV file.
I had a friend who uses Premiere Pro do the same thing, with the same awful result.
However… I gave my AVI to a friend with a Mac, and using the same QT Pro settings I was using on my PC, he was able to make a decent looking DV/DVCPRO-NTSC MOV file.
This is not a scientific experiment, but anecdotally, I’d say there is something wrong with the PC version of the codec.
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3ivx – inexpensive, works well in Vegas. The codec Vegas uses is Sorenson – limited.
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Rather than tear your hair out – why not print your spot to DV tape and let the station deal with it. That’s how I deliver to Comcast. (It would take them 30 seconds to transfer it.)
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It’s not a replay issue is it?
I remember when I started working with DV quality movs in FCP they looked dreadful until I discovered that you had to set each mov to play at full quality in the QT player.
Alan
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I don’t *think* it’s a replay issue. I sent one of these ugly NTSC MOV files to my friend with a brand new Macbook, and he confirmed it looked like garbage on his computer, too.
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they work fine for me,, make sure project setting is best, and make sure it is a interlaced render
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TV stations take DV tapes. I send them those and never a complaint.
Make them convert it the way they want it.
I’ve dealt with Adelphia, Comcast as well as a handfull of smaller more local stations..
never a problem
Mac can handle an AVI ntsc DV so save it to that as well.
BTW I never get a good result with the .MOVformat from vegas either.
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As I said before, when I create an MOV, using the DV/DVCPRO NTSC codec, the video plays back very poorly through Quicktime Player 7.1.5.. This is the case whether I create the MOV in Vegas, After Effects, or with Quicktime Pro.
However, if I take that very same file and put it into the Vegas timeline, it looks no different than a DV AVI file.
This tells me that the Quicktime Player’s NTSC playback codec isn’t so great. But at least the MOV files are actually of very good quality, and playback (and edit) just fine in an NLE’s timeline (my buddy tried the same thing in Premiere, with same results).
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