create pull list

[Jeremy Garchow]

Media manager?

[John Fishback]

Please explain exactly what you want to do. What codec did you edit with and what codec do you want to go to? Do you have source media you used to create proxies with which you edited? Did you capture from tape? Please explain your workflow.

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[Shane Ross]

I WISH that FCP enabled you to make a pull list….a list of the source tapes used in the cut. The best I can figure on doing is to media manage the cut (Create offline in the codec you want to uprez to), and then take the bin full of clips created by doing that and sorting by reel. The EDL function in FCP is primitive compared to Avid…but that is OLD technology.

Oooo…I gotta try something. This is messing with Cinema Tools but lemme see…BRB.

Shane

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[D. Gregor hagey]

I’m trying to finish a Red ingested job by recreating all the shots at a better quality and re-linking them in FCP for the online (don’t like the simple ingest options and prefer the control in Redcine to process the r3ds the way I like them). I could just transcode all the rushes and relink, but I will save a lot of time if I can just creat a simple pull list. I would think this is equally valuable for tape based workflows as well.

G

Gregor

[Arnie Schlissel]

[Shane Ross] “I WISH that FCP enabled you to make a pull list”

FCP can create a pull list. Select a sequence, choose File>Export>EDL, choose CMX3600 for the format, choose “Source” for the sort order. This will create a “C-mode” or pull list. Choosing “Program” for your sort order will create an A-mode list.

The above assumes that you’ve logged your footage with proper reel numbers and digitized it with correct timecode using some form of deck control. If you don’t have reel numbers (or if they all seem to be reel 001), If you don’t have correct timecode (those of you who capture using “Capture Now listen up), then the above is for another film and you should dissregard.

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[Shane Ross]

[Arnie Schlissel] “FCP can create a pull list. Select a sequence, choose File>Export>EDL, choose CMX3600 for the format, choose “Source” for the sort order. This will create a “C-mode” or pull list. Choosing “Program” for your sort order will create an A-mode list. “

Well, that just spits out a multiple page EDL…just like any other EDL. Does no one have experience with the Avid and how it does this? I know…Avid is Avid and FCP is FCP, but this is a simple thing here. In Avid you have EDL manager, that will produce a FULL EDL, or, if you check SOURCES only, you get a small list of all the tapes used in the cut. Typically 1/4 of a page to 1 page long. JUST the tapes/reels…that’s it. No even numbers, no just list of each shot…just the tapes.

Thus far I haven’t been able to figure out how to do that…Even using CT and a lot of tricks there. Gonna submit this as a feature request to Apple. They aren’t used to the offline/online workflow so producing a PULL LIST or SOURCE LIST isn’t on the top of their heads.

Shane

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[Jeremy Garchow]

I don’t understand why you can’t media manage the final timeline to only the media you need (with handles if you want), and export the bin that is created with the source media as a batch list.

Jeremy

[Shane Ross]

[Jeremy Garchow] “why you can’t media manage the final timeline to only the media you need (with handles if you want), and export the bin that is created with the source media as a batch list. “

Because that makes a HUGE LONG ASS LIST! Why is this so hard for you guys to grasp? I don’t get it. I was an assistant editor, and a tape vault manager…maybe that’s why this all makes friggin sense and is logical.

OK…so you have cut the show in an offline codec. It is a documentary show with footage from 45 tapes digitized into the system…not just the shoot tapes, but archival footage that was used in other shows too…or master footage from other shows. The tapes aren’t all sitting on your shelf in the bay, they are in the TAPE VAULT among thousands of other tapes.

So you locked your show and now it is time to ONLINE. You want to grab ONLY THE TAPES USED IN THAT CUT. You didn’t use all 45, so you only want the few you have. So you just want a simple list of the tapes used in the show. Avid EDL manager does this for you. You output an EDL and with the click of an option, BOOM, you get a short list (note…short list, not long list of every cut, but SHORT LIST of ONLY THE TAPES) of only the tapes you need to grab. A small list that fills 1/3 of a single sheet of paper listing the reel names of the tapes you need.

THAT’S IT! Not a 14 page EDL that you have to scan through and write down the tape numbers…or a 10 page list of all the clips and their tapes. SURE, the tapes will be sorted so that you see the list, but now you have wasted 9 pages of paper to get this. I don’t want to see one tape listed 64 times because 64 clips come from that reel. I want to see that reel listed once. ONCE.

You guys have been using FCP too long…or never realized how clever Avid was.

Shane

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[Jeremy Garchow]

I am not talking about an EDL, I am talking about a ‘Batch List’.

After you media manage the final timeline of online, you get a bin that’s marked ‘Master Clips’ right?

You then export that bin as a Batch List. You open that batch list in Excel, sort by reel, and then delete the dupes. A bit convoluted, but it works.

Jeremy

[Shane Ross]

I export the batch list..it is a HUGE 83 page thing! Import that into Excel…well, it is more manageable, but again, long ass list. Yes, I can delete or just write down what tapes are needed. I guess that is the best we can hope for.

You can export a BATCH LIST from the SEQUENCE too, BTW. So I guess that is the answer. Highlight sequence, export a BATCH LIST. Open that in Excel as Delineated, then sort the fields in REEL order. Then manually write down all the reels.

Not as bad now that Excel makes it far EASIER to read.

Shane

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