computer screen for editing

[Charley King]

I personally have one CRT screen, one LCD screen, and an NTSC monitor. I love the dual screen editing, but wish I had two wide screen lcd’s. The only problem I have is the height settings of windows are not the same on the two different screens. Yu can’t really trust the LCD screen for video and color reference. But then I have never really trusted any screen for those elements, that is why they made scopes. I never color correct to a monitor, I always use the scope to color correct then check the monitor to see if I like the results (hoping my monitor is as close as I can get it).

Hope this helps.
Charlie

[Mark]

I use LCDs (Sony) and am very happy with them. Of course, as Charlie stated, I never adjust to screen, always to scope. I also have an NTSC to view output.
I find LCDs to be kinder on my eyes. At work I have dual Viewsonics. They are very matte, the Sony’s at work have the X-Brite which makes the monitor more reflective….I prefer the Sony monitors, I just have to make sure that there is not too much ambient light in the room.

Mark

[Chris Bové]

I discovered one day while playing a loop of a countdown (yes, I have no life) that LCD’s are about 1-2 frames off video-to-audio, and plasmas are between 4 and 6. I’m convinced that using LCDs as primary editing monitors are why so many commercials and programs now-a-days have slipped sync.

Thus for me, CRT’s are still the best way to go for computer screens and an NTSC client monitor for output with scope support. Also working in Photoshop looks cruddier on LCDs – especially when viewing at 33% and 66% size.

Remember the colorfully plastic-backed monitors that came with the imac like six years ago? THAT was the best looking editing monitor ever. Bring them back, Apple!

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A picture says 1000 words. Editors give them meaning.

[Charley King]

[Pixel Monkey] ” I’m convinced that using LCDs as primary editing monitors are why so many commercials and programs now-a-days have slipped sync.”

Ever consider the sync loss through frame syncronizers when broadcast is getting the video from sattelite then running through switchers which some have built in frame synchronizers also. Then it goes to the Cable company and is reprocessed. then your home cable box reprocesses it and it then runs through your home LCD HD set?

Charlie

[Rap]

hey guys, thanks for all of your replys, so you don’t really recommend using a LCD TV as ascreen for my G5
you talked about the scope… and I would hear more about that please, what kind of scoe and how do you use it? i find it very hard to work according to scope. I really wanna learn to do that , I am working on a project now that has to be finilized on my system and so I will have to make sure that the colors are right. so could you please advise me on that?

how about the book “Color Correction for Digital Video: Using Desktop Tools to Perfect Your Image”

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Color-Correction-Digital-Video-Desktop/dp/1578202019

or do you recommend any other book ?

thanks

[Rap]

how importante is the contrast ratio?

i just found out that is I bye an LCD monitore 26inch that would coast me much more than buing the Samsung 26inch with 3000:1 contrast raio, so it’s cheaper for me to buy the LCD tv rather than the LCD computer monitor.
forget about color correcting which whether LCD or CRT is not gonna be done according to monitor but according to scop

[Mark]

Rap,

The book looks detailed….I would say go for it. I learned to read scopes in school when studying TV Broadcasting. Adjusting color without scopes is kind of like driving at night with dark sunglasses…. YOU HAVE TO USE SCOPES. With digital TV, compressions and recompressions, legal video limits are more important than ever. When an illegal color gets to the compressor, it can be replaced with green pixels, mosaics etc, etc.
Mark

[Chris Bové]

[Charlie King] “Ever consider the sync loss through frame syncronizers when broadcast”

Oh yes definitely. It’s interesting after all that futzing-around that finished products are even watchable. My guess about the lag in LCDs is focused at the occasional commercial that seems more off than the rest — and is derived from witnessing first-hand a number of boutique edit shops making final editorial decisions based on the plasma they set up for clients.

Along with the warning sticker that’s wrapped around the plasma monitor’s power cable, there should be one stuck right to the screen when you buy it saying “Don’t let clients make million dollar decisions based on this monitor”.

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A picture says 1000 words. Editors give them meaning.

[Chris Bové]

Tortally agree with Mark here. Also, it’ll be worth your time to go to any local TV station and offer their chief engineer fifty bucks and a free lunch to give you an hour of hands-on with a scope. He/she will have more practical “how-to” for your specific situation than any book.

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A picture says 1000 words. Editors give them meaning.

[Charley King]

[rap] “what kind of scoe and how do you use it?”
YOu need to learn both vector and Oscilliscope. First thing to consider is when doing graphics on computer use the 16-235 rule. No blacks under 16,16,16 and no whites above 235,235,235. That will give you a 7.5 IRE black and a 100% white. This constitutes 1 volt of video. To actually read the scopes it is not that difficult once you see it in action, but is hard to explain in a couple sentences. I would recommend Pixel’s suggestion that you let a chief engineer of a TV station explain it. Most of them should know how color setup is handled. I learned from an engineer that I will always remember because he explained everything as tho it was a thing with a personality. Made it very interesting. But the main thing to remember is nulling. That is again very ahrd to explain, I just started 6 sentences to attempt and deleted each before I got more than a couple words typed. Good luck, you seem very interested in learning and we could use more like you. too many start out these days with little or no knowledge and feel they don’t need any.

Charlie