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  • Compression Markers and Compressor

    Posted by Stevejr on April 26, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    Hi all,

    I have been working on a project that is 54 minutes long. It has tiff photos in it with a resolution of 300 dpi. I know that this is big but, the client wanted me to scan these pictures at a higher quality so that she could also print them.
    I sent the project out to compressor and then dvd and noticed that between dissolves their is pixelization or artifacting going on in many places throughout the entire project.

    I then went and added compression markers through out the project in areas that needed additional help for encoding. I also sent the project out as a quick time movie. In compressor I opened it and in preview added some more compression markers in areas that need it. I sent this project out and still their was pixelization or artifacting.

    So I did the whole thing again and this time I sent it out to compressor uncompressed at 10 bit. I saw the same artifacting problems again.

    Basically I have done even more things and I still have pixelization or artifacting throughout the entire project.

    My conclusion, I think maybe the problem has to do with the tiff pictures at 300 dpi. I have pictures moving in and out every 4 to 7 seconds. But I also send everything out as a SD quick time movie. I am trying to encode this in a different system but I keep thinking that maybe compressor is not qualified to handle the amount of photos (Between 400 to 500 Photos in 54 minutes) Maybe I need to encode this project in another program.

    If I had to do this all over again I would have done all these pictures in iphoto with the ken burns effects add to it.

    If anybody has any idea on what I can do to get ride of the pixelization or artifacting in my cross dissolves please let me know.

    Thanks,

    Wildman

    Stevejr replied 19 years ago 4 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Jeff Carpenter

    April 26, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    First, get rid of the Compression markers. It’s probably just confusing the system and making things worse at this point.

    Second, are you using the pre-set “90 min Best Quality” setting in compressor? Or did you make something up yourself?

    Finally, in Final Cut, go to EXPORT -> COMPRESSOR and re-compress it that way. It will work directly off the Final Cut timeline and compress from there rather than using a Quicktime file to get from Final Cut to Compressor.

    This will take longer to do AND it will tie-up Final Cut, so it’s not always the best way. But given the number of photos you’re using and the proeblems you’ve been having, it’s probably worth a try.

    (I suggest duplicating your sequence and in that copy cutting out all but 5 minutes of your video. Export that as a test to save time. Burn it to a DVD and watch it in a stand-alone DVD player on a TV set to really judge it.)

  • Stevejr

    April 26, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    Hi,

    I have tried all that you have said and I still have problems. I can’t figure this thing outl

  • Ben Scott

    April 26, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    when bringing in stills to work in video you are going to need to understand how video titling works, they are not going to a computer monitor they are going on a tv screen

    try resizing all pictures to the size of your video e.g. 720 by 576 if non square pixels PAL or 768 by 576 if computer square pixels, widescreen is different again

    if cropping pay attention to your title safe area, unless it is destined only for laptops and projectors.

    also you should consider blurring all the images with a motion blur in photoshop set to 90deg and 1 px, this is similar to deinterlace footage in final cut pro

    also DV is a rubbish codec for flat colour and this sort of animation, go for something like apple uncompressed in easy set up and then export from that format to mpeg2 it makes a massive difference. you could also try making a custom easy setup and set the sequence to be progressive instead of interlaced and make sure it is setup in compressor similarly.

    also you may have chroma and luma out of limits and therefore this contrast and unlegal video can cause real problems for interlacing. it may be that you can set up a curve in photoshop to deal with this however it may take a while to prep all the images. if you have scopes using something like echofire this could help when using photoshop, alternatively do it in final cut and it will take a while. if you have similar sequences you can use a nested sequence to apply colour correction to all the stills sequence.

    basically if you can get photoshop actions to help resizing it will really help

    I have put a bit on titling and getting stills out from video exports on my cow podcast, take a look may be helpful for sizes/values

    if your video is very fast cuts every 12 to 15 frames you will get problems but only if the stills are significantly different between each frame. you may wish to look into setting a different GOP in compressor (and therefore much higher bit rate overall and problems with compatibility of disk if over 8mbps) if it is that complex. compression markers wouldn’t work with footage that is slowly changing, the VBR encoder works it out for you

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  • Stevejr

    April 27, 2007 at 4:47 am

    Hi,

    I have 400 to 500 pictures. There is no way I am going to start all over again. Is that the only way. Is their another solution. Maybe even another encodeing solution.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Stevejr

    April 27, 2007 at 4:47 am

    Hi,

    I have 400 to 500 pictures. There is no way I am going to start all over again. Is that the only way. Is their another solution. Maybe even another encodeing solution.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Stevejr

    April 27, 2007 at 6:04 am

    Hi Ben,

    Logically I think that you are right like I said before. The problem is that I don’t have the time to do this.
    Is their any other way. When I watch it in the computer it looks great. I even took a small part down to idvd and it looked great. What if I did a AVI and sent it over to another build program. Will that work.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Stevejr

    April 27, 2007 at 6:04 am

    Hi Ben,

    Logically I think that you are right like I said before. The problem is that I don’t have the time to do this.
    Is their any other way. When I watch it in the computer it looks great. I even took a small part down to idvd and it looked great. What if I did a AVI and sent it over to another build program. Will that work.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Ben Scott

    April 27, 2007 at 11:18 am

    just try changing the sequence settings to uncompressed by control clicking on the sequence in the browser. apple uncompressed 8 bit codec or download the black magic codec from blackmagicdesigns website

    maybe try it with a small difficult section of the footage as a test first by duplicating sequence first

    then rerender

    then output using the new sequence settings and dont transcode to dv at any point and when you output it may look a bit different.

    you could also chuck the deinterlace filter on a nested sequence and something like a broadcast safe filter maybe to get it to be legal quickly.

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  • John Pale

    April 27, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    Sounds like your bit rate is spiking high on the transitions. A regular DVD player might not be able to deal with it on a DVD-R, though your computer’s DVD player might be okay with it.

    Use CBR, at about 6.8 for the encode. No need for VBR, as your project is under an hour.

  • John Pale

    April 27, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    forgot to mention, you should be using AC3 encoding for your audio.
    Using AIFF can cause video problems, as it tends to make your overall bit rate rather high.
    Where you have I frames, like in the transitions, you may go over what your DVD player can handle.

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