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Commercial advantages
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So FCPX can do what legacy does except Legacy allows multiple sequences in a project as well which is exactly what I need.
Adobe Anywhere was covered in a previous thread but basically it allows multi users to interact on a single project within a local network or via the internet.
The patent thread started over Apple trying to take a patent on a similar concept and at the time I expressed concern that it was to stop others (ie Adobe) from doing exactly what they have done. I hope it doesn’t and I also hope Adobe don’t have some patent to block Apples collaborative workflows if and when they appear.So unlike FCPX, Adobe Anywhere has both dynamic linking to ancillarly software like Ae plus collaborative multi users working on a single project. That is why I want to go CS6 becasue that is important in my workflows.
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[Herb Sevush] “Bill Davis] “Since Legacy couldn’t open more than one project at a time”
You can have as many projects open in Legacy as you want, cutting pasting and copying between them.
“That’s wild. I can’t imagine not knowing that. I guess different work flows, but I regularly have/had multiple projects open. In fact, I often media-manage timelines into their own projects, have several of them open at once, and cut and paste between them. When I’m working on a Sizzle reel, I can have a bunch of these open at the same time.
I guess that just demonstrates how differently/deeply we can use a program. I’ve used FCP for years and had no idea that you could do sub frame audio editing in it until David Lawrence pointed it out. So, ain’t like Bill’s alone in not knowing ALL the features.
I DO like the Avid approach of being able to load bins from other projects. In fact, I find myself liking much about Avid the more I use it. Funny, that.
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[Bill Davis] ”
[Shawn Miller] “So, it sounds like you’re describing an automatic encoding system that lets you programmatically render files out to specific locations in whatever format may be needed. Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying.”
Pretty close. Inside the software, for example, you can bake in your Vimeo or YouTube account settings. From within the software, you can then simply “print” your video to that account with nothing more than a stop (inside the software) to append search tags.
it makes “publish to my web accessible video portal” pretty much a single click operation.
Right now the auto-publish is limited to YouTube, Vimeo and CNN iReport – but clearly the design goal was to enable “publish out to services from within the app” as a software feature.”
Ah, I see. It’s literally like publishing a video asset for a website. I don’t think AME has that capability, just stock templates for authoring the media that goes to Vimeo or YouTube, or what have you. But I think its a cool feature. Does it only work for Vimeo and YouTube, or can you publish to any streaming media server or service?
[Bill Davis] “OK, I think I understand. You Export your Master to that folder, then it publishes via the other program. Does the Master file remain connected to the editorial functions ala X and Share? Or is that master disconnected from further revision?”
Yes, that’s correct. You can output master files from Premier (or AE, or Photoshop) directly to a watch folder, and AME will encode those files to any format(s) you wish. Once rendered or encoded, the output file has no association to the project.
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Thanks for helping me understand this, BTW.”Thanks for helping me understand the publish/share features in X. They sound very cool.
Shawn
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[Michael Gissing] “If I understand your example Bill, all FCPX is doing is exporting a file directly to an off site storage like Vimeo without leaving a local copy. “
It leaves a local copy. In the Final Cut Projects > Project Name > Shared Items folder, there’s a copy of the “published” movie.
If you send to Youtube et al, it’s h264, so as long as you can make your version from that. ;/
Exporting a non-published QT movie, gives you the option of where to put it. A plist is written with the non published movies to the shared movie folder along with its ID, and it tells you info about what has been exported. Some if this information is then shown in the “Sharing” tab of the inspector in the project library and acts as a record of all the different versions of that particular Project that were exported. There’s a little magnifying glass that you can click and it will open the exported file provided the title and location match the plist file. If you move or rename the exported file, the Sharing tab in no longer connected to the file.
Searching for the movies “string” (or ID) unfortunately does not turn up in a Spotlight search.
I have no idea why this might be useful to anyone, but there you go.
Jeremy
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“Yes Bernard, to the original question. My small facility is switching to PC and CS6. Same reasoning. I am building two new PCs for a much cheaper price than staying with Mac. Plus the price and availability of up to date NVIDIA graphics cards and lots of internal PCIe slots. “
The only reason I’ve continued to watch and sometimes contribute to this forum is my continual amazement at the customer loyalty to a company that has no loyalty to those same customers. At 65, and now working at a university part time, I don’t have to make a living from this stuff any more – I just need to keep up so I can pass the knowledge on. But I’ve never ever had loyalty to any company whose products I’ve used, only to the one which pays me. If it works, buy it – if it doesn’t, look elsewhere.
The switch to PCs at this point is a no-brainer. That doesn’t mean that it’s a permanent answer, but if you need to be up with the pack, or preferably ahead, there’s no point in locking yourself into a customer base where products are limited and mostly out-dated. Buy a PC, use it. After a few months, open it up and put in a bigger disc, or memory, or the latest CUDA card. Repeat ad infinitum. The university does this with hundreds of machines. And now that you’re in the big world of the PC, look around at the huge range and choice of software. If the answer in 2012 is Adobe, then fine – but if the answer in 2014 is Bloggs, then just switch. No waiting for one supplier to get their act together, or in this case, not.
So – who’s going to be standing in the queue outsider the Apple shop for a iPhone 5. Sad, sad people….
Bernie
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[Bernard Newnham] “So – who’s going to be standing in the queue outsider the Apple shop for a iPhone 5. Sad, sad people….”
So what has the iPhone 5 got to do with your Mac/PC argument?
Steve Connor
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Absolutely nothing
Bernie
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[Bernard Newnham] “The switch to PCs at this point is a no-brainer. That doesn’t mean that it’s a permanent answer, but if you need to be up with the pack, or preferably ahead, there’s no point in locking yourself into a customer base where products are limited and mostly out-dated. Buy a PC, use it.”
And you can even hedge your bets and purchase components that are ripe for turning your PC into a Hackintosh if you ever decide to go back to OSX.
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[Bernard Newnham] “The switch to PCs at this point is a no-brainer”
For me personally, it’s the opposite of a no-brainer.
I guess that means, a brainer.
There’s a lot more to it than just buying a PC and loading it up with CUDA especially when you have more than one person to account for, a legacy of Mac based archive and projects that still generate income, and well, a brain.
It’s not about loyalty to me. If I went PC none of those companies have loyalty either so it’s really no difference. I don’t feel betrayed by Apple at all. I guess I don’t have a relationship with a company like that. It’s business. Clients have walked away, I have had to walk away for certain projects, the ball bounces that way sometimes. For that, I can’t just simply walk away from Apple as there’s still business on the table. It’s not even about FCP, it’s about much more than that. There isn’t anything that I have to have to get the job done right now that is PC only.
Sure, I can build a Hackintosh, but that seems rather daunting and certainly unsupported. Multiply that by 5 machines, and that becomes a nightmare waiting to happen. I can purchase any Mac that can also run Windows officially if that’s what I need. CUDA is getting better and better on the Mac with every OS release. This means that soon, the computers will be very similar. Certainly, PCs have a CPU edge at the moment. Our work isn’t all about the CPU. For some, it is, and perhaps that makes this a no-brainer for their needs.
What is important is the right tool for the right job, and right now with all things considered, all things are still pointing to FCS3. I’m not looking for fastest, I’m looking for better. Everyday, there are multiple companies working to gain or keep my attention and business. So far, there isn’t a clear winner for our business needs, but I think about it a lot. I hope that I have a lot more career left so I need to think about this stuff. I can’t simply make a rash and expensive decision. CNN/BBC/Universal Studios we are not.
Jeremy
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[Bernard Newnham] “I wonder what commercial advantages FCPX will bring to a facilities house, and what disadvantages….?
“Hey Bernard, folks get a bit carried away on this site. Both our initial threads have been hijacked by an army of vested interests pontificating in their own gravy. I cut a weekly magazine program, I have done for the last 7 years. The series producer has said, “where ever you go, we go” I cut a bunch of other TV with producers that are saying the same thing. They couldn’t care less what program I use FCP, AVID, Premier. They like working with me and I like FCPX simple as that. I think commercial advantages are minimal apart from “no tape”, so no tape hardware. I also think apple gear looks cool, makes the suits look cool, and lets be honest clients like hanging out in cool Boutique facilities while making cool contemporary TV. There you have it.
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