Color me unimpressed

[Bill Marcellus]

Sounds like you need to buy a Nitris or a Smoke. Of course, they list for slightly more than a FCS seat.

[Nate Weaver]

Why does it need to be actually *in* FCP?

I like to slap color on while I edit for yuks, but anything final needs separate attention, and usually at the end so I don’t do it twice.

I mean, if you are doing a tape-to-tape after a cut is done, what’s the difference?

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[Aaron Neitz]

yes, we have a smoke. yes, we have a flame. They are tens of thousands of dollars more than FCP – not including the hardware. And you get what you pay for.

Sorry to ruffle everyone’s feathers. I use FCP as a finishing tool more than an editor. It’s never been gear for this type of work, and I get frustrated. I really think they could integrate all these technologies, but maybe FCP would suddenly be TOO much for the editor.

[Andy Edwards]

[CharlieX] “I really think they could integrate all these technologies”

It is coming in FCP Studio 4 on a teraflop USB drive…just kidding charlie 🙂 I hear what you say and agree with you. It sure would be great if we had it all under one app, but for now, it is not an option. I complained about Sound Track Pro when it first came out and how the “round tripping” just did not work correctly. Hopefully this new version fixes the headaches and I can actually use part of the FCP Studio I paid for 2 years ago.

Send apple your feedback as they spoke about it during the event today. The presenter kept on stating, “we heard you….” So maybe your requests to Apple will be heard and it will get bundled into the next generation of FCP.

Andy

[David Battistella]

I personally like the round tripping. FCP is an editor. That’s the focus. More than anything I think the disappointment is in a decent title tool (which i think is not really worth round tripping.

I don’s mind breaking down the separate jobs into seperate apps. I would rather have each app doing it very well than one app doing it sort of pretty good.

It’s nice to complete a cut and then export the sound and do a mix and now I can export the picture, put on some decent music. Do a great CC pass and relink it back in FCP for output. I like this breakdown. It helps me give the correct attention to each component of post.

Putting an incredible Color corrector is a great idea. FCP is great because as you understand how the software is engineered you realize that the most important purchases after the software is on things like :
1. The fastest drives you can afford
2. The best video GFX card you can find for your mac
3. The most Ram you can afford.

Then you are of to the races. I think there is no real killer app in this price range but the suite is actually a very “sweet”and gives you a lot of creative control over your final product.

David

Peace and Love 🙂

[Walter Biscardi]

[CharlieX] “STOP MAKING SEPRATE APPLICATIONS TO HANDLE DIFFERENT VIDEO PROCEDURES. If you added COLOR as an effect tab, I would be excited…. but as a “round trip” application? Come on.

1) I need decent color tools IN FCP
2) I need decent mask tools IN FCP
3) I need decent paint tools IN FCP
“

Why? Can you tell my why you need all this in FCP rather than a suite of tools that do this seamlessly? I can’t see the logic. You do understand that Color is essentially a daVinci on a Mac, right? Asking Color to work inside of FCP is like asking a daVinci artist to do some editing on their color workstation. It’s a very specialized tool and what I don’t want to see is Apple watering down Color to make it work inside FCP.

I’m sure they will add some improvements to FCP’s own 3Way as the Silicon Color team gets working with the FCP team, but as for true color correction, it’s the last thing you do and they seem to have really got the round trip working well.

Is anyone complaining about how well the Adobe suite of products work together? I don’t really see that. Why are we complaining about how well the FCP Studio suite works together and for $1,300 no less?

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi

[David Battistella]

Walter,

Color will be worth the broadcast legalizer alone. How innovative has Avid been with their products in the past ten years (let alone five) when it comes to understanding (and changing) the entire landscape of video and film post production.

There will always be naysayers and people addicted to hammers, but Apple seems to continue to democratize the entire industy and the price is attached to talent (as it should be) instead of gear.

David

Peace and Love 🙂

[George Loch]

[CharlieX] “STOP MAKING SEPARATE APPLICATIONS TO HANDLE DIFFERENT VIDEO PROCEDURES”

This is the future of video post – separate tools that integrate together to create a common outcome. The power of this is that it makes the workflow so much easier to expand and grow. It is much easier to turn over the different aspects of a post project to either another person or another computer. Now with Final Cut Server, this will be even better.

It’s the future – either embrace it or fight it – it won’t change the reality.

-gl

[Walter Biscardi]

[David Battistella] “Walter,

Color will be worth the broadcast legalizer alone. How innovative has Avid been with their products in the past ten years (let alone five) when it comes to understanding (and changing) the entire landscape of video and film post production.”

And don’t forget the broadcast legal scopes. How many of you want to spend $15,000 on an HD Scope? Anybody? Now it’s included.

Oh and on the legalizer, remember that’s luminance, Chroma AND blacks. There is no broadcast safe “filter” on Color. You simply set your floor and ceiling levels in the preference panel and forget about it.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi

[Aaron Neitz]

I know Walter – these are just my pipe dreams for a Final Cut Finish. It’s at heart an editing tool, not a finishing tool – which many of us press it into service for. Guess I’m just hoping for an easier, more itegrated solution to the problems you face when finishing in Final Cut.

Don’t get me wrong – I switched from Media Composer to Final Cut on version 3. And since then it’s replcaed every Avid station we own. I learned online skills on Flame 7 and Smoke 5 – but since then have moved all my finishes to a rigged up FCP station (with AE, Shake, Combustion, and Silhoette FX doign the heavy lifting.)

Again, don’t mean to rustle feathers. I love FCP and will fight to the death for Apple, but FCP 6 is just another upgrade, not a revolution.