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Cloud question (adobe screwing us?)
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Which is exactly what I’ve been saying all along (publicly only recently) but I ran the math as soon as the “Teams” pricing was released because it’s insane for small shops who are already volume license customers AND who see no value added in their cloud-benefit claims.
As a TLP customer – I’ve never “picked-up” a boxed copy since we started on the TLP/LWS setup, it’s all been “download” and Adobe’s LWS system is actually quite good. We can retrieve serials, get license certificates, etc. It’s very easy to manage. Each seat has the same Serial, licenced for X number of workstations and the same 1 desktop/1 laptop installation applies. We were quite pleased with this setup; it’s allowed us to run licensed Adobe software easily.
And I’m happy, genuinely happy, to pay for the tools that meet our needs. But a $500-per-year increase per seat would be a lot to swallow. I hope I am totally wrong.
My initial “Teams” rebuttal is here:
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/3/938430—
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there is no mention of cs7 production premium anywhere.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “maybe stop saying boxed copies.”
Fair enough. I think I usually equate boxed copies of software with perpetual license. However, there’s no reason why a download of software can’t also be a perpetual license. That’s basically how I have my current copy of CS6, via download without discs.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “There is a potential for herd FUD here, and that would be bad. it would be a pretty neat idea if adobe did a moron’s (my) guide that shows the variety of offerings they’re putting in place.”
This +1.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “Also, and I just watched this today, but: hello to you, my true ProRes timeline export friend, one minute spot exported in under 10 seconds”
I feel like this is mostly demo material. For it to work that fast the file has to remain virtually untouched in your editor (Premiere or FCP7). Essentially, the Quicktime engine just passes the untouched information through on export. Once you do something to it though it will have to built a new file. So if you put a lower third on, do a simple 3-Way color correction, scale the footage, etc. will not see those performance gains. But if you are just chopping the ends off of something and nothing else, I guess this is good news.
Ryan Holmes
http://www.ryanholmes.me
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Of course not. It wont be mentioned anywhere until its released which may be a month from now or more.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
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[Ryan Holmes] “I feel like this is mostly demo material. For it to work that fast the file has to remain virtually untouched in your editor (Premiere or FCP7). Essentially, the Quicktime engine just passes the untouched information through on export. Once you do something to it though it will have to built a new file. So if you put a lower third on, do a simple 3-Way color correction, scale the footage, etc. will not see those performance gains. But if you are just chopping the ends off of something and nothing else, I guess this is good new”
Ryan I dont think thats true. In a retooled.net tutorial it says that if you make your preview renders Prores, they to are used in the smart rendering like the regular media.
https://www.retooled.net/?page_id=64&paged=7
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
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Tom – according to that video he says, “So for those of you who have used FCP7, you’ll know this is why the exporting from FCP7 is pretty quick. It’s basically, because it’s taking the original clips, and if there are no effects done, just passing them back out to the final Quicktime. So the same thing is no possible with Quicktime codecs in the new Premiere.”
He says this about 35 seconds into the video. As long as you haven’t modified the video it’s really just rewrapping it as is. Once you modify the video with some effect it’ll have to render the video on export (unless you’ve already rendered along the way, at which point PPro can incorporate those files into your export).
Unless they have some magic-sauce in CS Next that they haven’t shown publicly….
At which point, I reserve the right to be completely, and utterly dead-wrong!! 😉
Ryan Holmes
http://www.ryanholmes.me
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[Ryan Holmes] “I feel like this is mostly demo material.”
no that’s wrong really – it’s exactly what it looks like – it goes to the amount of work done in the render of the timeline prior to final export pass off. In personal experience there is a ton of clip to clip render passes on various parts to see whats what or incorporate AE renders. you want to know that those mini render hits are being taken into account.
Any timeline is a mix of pass through render portions. FCP7 was. The point is that PPro now respects the timeline pass through renders from ProRes and DNX?
Any clean timeline of Pro Res or DNxHd is now a direct pass through. there is no export hit.honestly – watch the demos – he takes, for instance, object selection on monitor clip object pixel nudging to task very exactly.
he’s really not a demo guy per se.https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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At 2:32 Josh says…Now you can use your Preview files in your final render. Then goes on to say… now not only can you use the preview files, you can use them with Smart Rendering.
Thats what I was referring to earlier.It doesnt recompute those preview files frame by frame like it used to.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
(Best viewed at 1080P and full screen)
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Are you sure about DNxHD? Ive only seen published reports about Prores. Any links?
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
(Best viewed at 1080P and full screen)
HP Z820 Dual 2687
64GB ram
Dulce DQg2 16TB raid -
yes exactly – I’m not looking for magic – I just want to know that when I pre-render a section in pro-res/dnx workflow – it’s in the bag for final output.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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