Cloud enthusiasts – something to consider

[Richard Cardonna]

The way they are working now is that you are not able to upgrade if you are more than 1 version behind. meaning that if you are in cs4 you cannot upgrade to cs6 much less too cs 7. you would need to iether payfull price for a perpetual lic. (if available) or go to the cloud. If they had warned via email all registerd owners and these disregarded then no problem but if adobe didnt do this then i see it wrong.

Richard

[Walter Soyka]

[Tom Daigon] “This is how it currently stands with the Cloud. No other options mentioned anywhere yet. Soon, hopefully.”

[Dave LaRonde] “Since I’m involved in marketing a lot, I see your point: any reasonable and thoughtful individual immediately would see what’s missing, ask WHY it is missing, and make his or her own conclusions based on the available information.”

Adobe is still selling perpetual licenses of CS6. Nothing is missing as of now.

We don’t know any more about the upgrade path for the next version than we knew about upgrades to CS6 this time last year, but everyone is acting like the sky is falling.

There is a lot of value in discussing the options and saying “Creative Cloud looks like a bad idea for me, and I will still want perpetual licensing.” Adobe should hear that feedback (and I think they are — see below).

I don’t see any value in spreading misinformation about Creative Cloud until we know more.

[Dave LaRonde] “Anyone from Adobe care to comment?”

Mike Chambers did, in the other thread that I tried to consolidate this into.

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/938680#938732

[Mike Chambers] “I don’t have a different response than what anyone else has given you when you have asked before, which is that we havent announced pricing and availability yet.

When we have more details on the release, we will post them in the normal ways (i.e. press, social, website, etc…).

Hope that helps…

mike chambers

mesh@adobe.com“

Walter Soyka
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[Tom Daigon]

Walter, you wanna sit back and wait and see. Fine.

Im going to be proactive to let them know whats on customers minds. And maybe in the process influence the decision.

Alright, this thread is getting old and boring. Good luck to us all in the future.

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[Walter Soyka]

[Tom Daigon] “Walter, you wanna sit back and wait and see. Fine. Im going to be proactive to let them know whats on customers minds. And maybe in the process influence the decision.”

Tom, I think you misunderstand me.

We should be telling Adobe what we want. That’s a good thing. In this case, it’s perpetual licensing and clear upgrade paths.

We should be talking about the pros and cons of Creative Cloud. Anyone buying in should know what they’re getting into. You’re right to point out that people should know that if they stop paying subscription, they will no longer have access to their apps and thus will not be able to open old project files.

These are constructive dialogues to have.

I’m just saying we should not spread misconceptions or allow rumor to take the place of fact, and that we will know for sure what we’re speculating about pretty soon.

It’s really just a matter of framing.

Walter Soyka
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[Joseph W. bourke]

Tom –

Since when are you “the customers” appointed representative? You pestered a few Adobe people on the floor at NAB, came back with no answers, and know you’re our salvation? Come off it, please…we can all think for ourselves, and I can certainly come up with more accurate information than you seem be ranting and raving about. The economics will sort themselves out. Wait until you have something to complain about to complain about it. All you doing is bringing the trolls out…(Dave of course, excepted).

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
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[Joseph W. bourke]

You know you’re preaching to choir here, Dave. I’ve been one of the first to say that every upgrade I buy, I make sure that I purchase the backup discs for the extra 20 bucks. I want that software on the shelf, just like you.

I’m just not going to lose any sleep yet over the rantings of certain people on this and other forums (you don’t rant – you express your opinions in the most exacting terms), which are raising the noise level for no apparent reason. I don’t trust any corporation to behave in my interests – if I were to trust any corporation, one of the first on the list would be Adobe.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com

[Randall Martin]

I am a current cloud captive at 30.00, soon to go up. So I like this forum as it has no connection with Adobe whose forums I also read. One huge problem for CS6, for me and many others, is that it will not work with my AVCHD files (Panasonic 160 and 130). So, even if the price dropped and the defect continues, I will drop CC in a minute, use CS5 and look for alternatives. Sony Vegas? I am an intermediate level user. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[Paul Stevenson]

The way I see it is this:

With a lower, monthly, price point they can attract people that would normally have just used pirated version or not at all, so they gain customers to make up any short fall they have for lowering the price. Point 1.

Big software developers, including Adobe, have said in the past that the reason for the high cost of software is down to piracy, less piracy = lower prices, higher piracy = higher prices, but higher prices also generate piracy because it becomes too expensive (point 1). It’s a vicious cycle that big companies can’t break out of.
Adobe has tried by offering the “cloud” model. It’s safer for them because it HAS to call home regularly so it can’t be cracked as easily. Point 2.

With traditional sales they get one big sale to a user and then it goes quite, possibly for several years because, as with point 1, it’s bloody expensive. Most people I know in the business skip at least one version, but with the cloud they don’t have to, they can pay a lower monthly price and keep up to date. As long as Adobe doesn’t raise the price too much then they are happy and keep paying. Thus Adobe can say to it’s investors, “look we have X number of cloud users that are paying for one year licenses” and they can, sort of, predict there income meaning a more stable business. Point 3.

The majority of the Adobe suite programs have to run locally, they couldn’t truly live in “the cloud” because it would just die on it’s arse with today’s tech. So they have to be local and that means they are open to being cracked. So if Adobe increases the price too much we go back to point 1 and cascade all through there business model and they are back at square 1. Point 4.

So Adobe is doing what people have been asking for, reducing prices, the problem is people are scared about the price hikes that could come, but Adobe would be stupid to try to go to far. But by the same token, price rises happen, they have to, so we should get upset if they go up a bit (read a few £’s here Adobe!).

But people are now so used to paying through the roof for Adobe products (via the old model) and they haven’t stopped to think about exactly what does it cost. How much profit is Adobe making on some of these products? Until recently some products just used to have a skin change and a few new bells and whistles, but they were essentially the same thing as the previous version. That doesn’t cost a lot to do, certainly nothing like starting from scratch, but Adobe charges the same inflated price for every update.

Now people are stuck in the mindset that they are setting a trap by reducing the prices and getting people into a model where they can have there wallets raided or stop working. You could think like that, or think that they are finally listening to the customers they never had and are reducing there prices, gaining customers and making a more sustainable business in the process.

It’s basically like what Stella Artois’ used to advertise “reassuringly expensive”, only people need to stop thinking like that. It’s a different world to 2007.

[Richard Cardonna]

what you say makes no sense. piracy will continue. Most if not all who use warez dont have the money or will nog spend it. many just want to take a look. The cloud will attrack users from othe apps that want to test run before deciding. Adobe cloud will be an install of the whole enchilada easy prey for hackers.

[Tom Daigon]

FYI Ive stated my concerns & preferences.Others are aware of possible choices. Im done.Time to wait & see.

Tom Daigon
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