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Cloud enthusiasts – something to consider
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I’m with you Walter – in my opinion, Adobe’s term Creative Cloud is nothing more than marketing jargon. It’s a way to differentiate it from say, Autodesk, who calls their plan Autodesk Subscription – catchy, eh? They then go on to explain “Subscription with Cloud Services”, which puts a tighter description of what’s entailed there and what it actually has to do with the Cloud.
I think Adobe should take a page from Autodesk’s approach – then we wouldn’t have all these speculative posts about who’s getting screwed, before anything happens. The Cloud is falling…the Cloud is falling…not net…
And personally, as I’ve always said in these forums (fora?), I will always purchase the backup discs for as long as it’s possible. I like having them on my desk – so I’m with Dave there…
Joe Bourke
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[Walter Soyka] “your files stay on your own computer unless you explicitly upload them yourself to cloud storage.”
[Dave LaRonde] “…which is the entire point of this discussion as I understand it. “
The discussion usually doesn’t actually make it to the (optional) cloud storage — most of the conversation seems to be about the Creative Cloud licensing model, where you don’t have to pay anything upfront and can sort of rent Creative Suite Master Collection for $50/mo. As long as you pay, you can continue to use the apps, and you get all the updates as soon as they are available at no additional cost. Stop the subscription, and your apps turn off at the end of the month — just like your cell phone.
This contrasts with the traditional perpetual licensing model, where you buy a license for bigger money upfront, but it’s yours to use indefinitely and you must pay extra for periodic upgrades.
Pros and cons to each, from my perspective.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Dave LaRonde] “I don’t think there’s ANYTHING at the moment that would prevent a malicious, vindictive and talented group of individuals from corrupting cloud software updates from either company, leaving a lot of users in a world of hurt.”
Creative Cloud is not like traditional software-as-a-service cloud offerings. It’s running locally on your computer, and you choose what updates to download and when to apply them, just like with a perpetual license.
[Dave LaRonde] “Which is why I will never give up my CS4 Production Premium installation disks, even if I have to run the software on a legacy system. Antiquated software is better than no software at all, and that’s the danger both Adobe and Autodesk face, I think.”
Those CS4 disks are still dependent on a call-home license authorization at time of install. Even perpetual license holders are somewhat dependent on “the cloud” (someone else’s server on the Internet).
I’m really not trying to push Creative Cloud on anyone, and I do like perpetual licensing as much as the next guy, but there are some popular misconceptions about what Creative Cloud is and what it isn’t that I think we can clear up here.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Dave LaRonde] “Yup. But it only takes one highly talented individual bearing some grudge against Adobe to render the newer model useless. The new model’s too tenuous for my liking.”
Please see my other post on software updates.
Creative Cloud authorization has to happen once every 30 days, or else the applications deauthorize. Per Adobe [link], there is a 7 day grace period for the license check before this happens in the event that the authentication servers are unreachable for some reason (the servers failed, your Internet is down, etc.).
I think there are enough Cloud customers to ensure a timely response from Adobe in the event of a disaster.
Again, I’m not saying I think it’s perfect or right for everyone, but as long as users are aware of the pros and cons, it’s not necessarily fraught with peril, either.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Dave LaRonde] “I’m thinking about the possibility of inserting malicious code into the actual update files themselves, downloaded from the cloud. Now, there’s a disaster… and undetectable until the damage was done.”
Right… but how do you get your software updates now?
This is not an issue of cloud or not. We are still downloading updates for our perpetual licenses from “the cloud” (as we have for years now), so the hypothetical threat is the same.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Reposting here since the original was posted in multiple places
Tom,
I am not sure where you are getting your pricing information, but you can always find the latest pricing on Creative Cloud at:
https://creative.adobe.com/plans
The standard price for a year of full creative cloud membership is $49.99 a month (not $59.95 as you listed). We don’t have any plans to change that.
There are also promotional prices, single app membership, and plans for larger organization (all listed on that page).
mike chambers
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So here is the corrected version of the 1 year contract rate. $49.95
Adobe Cloud enthusiasts.Consider this.
Now- 29.95 monthly. Special offer.
Soon 49.95-signed year contract/ 74.95-monthly
Future- 89.95? 99.95?Once you buy in you have no choice but continue to pay or be deactivated.
This is how it currently stands with the Cloud. No other options mentioned anywhere yet. Soon, hopefully.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
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[Dave LaRonde] “If everything goes to Hell in a handbasket, at least I still have SOMETHING in my CS4 installation disks. Some kind of work, albeit limited, can continue.”
They would still require authorization from an Adobe server (in “the cloud”) for licensing when you install.
[Dave LaRonde] “Apparently from now on, I no longer will have that reassurance. I, for one, am not happy about it.”
We don’t know that yet, because pricing and availability for the next version of Creative Suite has not been announced.
This is all just conjecture now.
If the next release is cloud-only, I’ll be joining you with the pitchforks and torches. Until then, I think we should all be conscious of the difference between giving feedback (which is very valuable) and spreading FUD (which isn’t helpful to the community).
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “If the next release is cloud-only, I’ll be joining you with the pitchforks and torches.”
LOL,that I wanna see. 😀
Personally, I thinks its wise for Adobe to get a taste for how we feel BEFORE they make final decisions and release that to the public. That has been my whole point in this exercise.
Tom Daigon
PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPrG3WUyz8
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Its not only about the posibility of maliciuos code its about giving someone access to you computer hence the posibility of seeing and retrieving info is posible. I am not saying that adobe will do that but again maybe they will, if not them the door adobe uses to get in your system is a door and there are plenty of talented hackers that are looking for a thrill not to mention for fame and fortune. my system is always ofline.
Richard
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