Closed Captioning from FCP

[Chris Borjis]

I’ve been doing this all month.

I don’t know why fcp is not working for cropping the cc file to make it work

are you using automatedsynch tech to make the .mov files with cc data?

one thing that will absolutely work is combining the tv spot and cc data
in after effects or motion.

email me if you need more help as I do have it working.

chrisb(at)rexpost(dot)com

[Walter Biscardi]

[Chris Borjis] “email me if you need more help as I do have it working. “

Very nice of you to offer this Chris. Maybe we should have you write a short article or tutorial for the Cow explaining how you do this?

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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[Chris Borjis]

Sure, why not. 🙂

[Walter Biscardi]

[Chris Borjis] “Sure, why not. 🙂 “

Great, either contact Kathlyn directly by clicking on that link at the top of the Forum about creating tutorials or contact me off forum and let’s get you started. Obviously this question is coming up more and more and you seem to have a solution to make this work.

thanks!

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
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[Doug Beal]

Alan. I normally export anything that is 720 x 480 to 8 bit uncompressed.
I then import this into a a full raster SD 8 bit uncompressed setup prior to dropping the CC data on it then crop the cc black file, bottom = 98.
It may be that in the expansion of your 480 Height to 486 that the line 21 data is not on line 21 thus cannot be decoded correctly. I don’t know how the Kona scaling operates but this might be the issue.

The other thing that can happen is that each NLE and card combo operates a little differently. there are test files at https://www.cpcweb.com/nle/ which you can use to determine how your system behaves. this info should then be passed on to the captioning company just in case they have generated an incompatible file for your system. there were some issues with the Kona 3 when it first came out that people encoded for based on the kona2.

At any rate to be sure that you are encoding correctly use a full raster sequence setting 720 x 486

we have successfully encoded several series and spots using FCP and a Kona 3. above is basically how we do it

Doug Beal
Editor / Engineer
Rock Creative Images
Nashville TN

[Chris Borjis]

Doug I’ve tried all that as well.

the cropping is causing a problem even if you only crop 1 pixel, which you would
never do, I’m just saying the second you crop even if 1 pixel, the cc data is lost.

I’m wondering if fcp 6.03 is the problem—thats what I just updated too.

I’m going to write a tutorial on how I do closed captioning that should work
for everyone with final cut studio 2 installed regardless of that problem.

[Tony Manolikakis]

We’ve done this using full raster (720×486) without issue. The MXO2 also has a solution for HD closed captioning in case you need this in the future.

Tony Manolikakis
Rev13 Films

[Tony Manolikakis]

To follow up on my previous post. We do this in FCP but settings need to be 486 to include line 21 in the active video…

Tony Manolikakis
Rev13 Films

[Andrew Southard]

I’ll throw my 2 cents worth in here. We have been using a workflow for CC similar to what Alan is attempting to do for 3 years. I love it! We’re doing about 50 half hour episodes per year for Outdoor Channel.

We use Caption Link here in Nashville. I send them an highly compressed MP4 of the show and a Word doc of the script to their ftp site. A few days later, I get back a QT file that I lay in the V2 track. Using the crop tool in the motion tab, I crop the bottom 99. A few minutes of render time and I have closed captioning! I then output my edited master to Digi Beta. My edited master is CC’d, not just the dubs going to the network. IMHO, it’s faster, cheaper and better–the unobtainable trifecta!

Here’s the tech data on my process.
Uncompressed 8bit 720×486 sequence (has to be 486 not 480)
AJA IO feeding SD SDI to a Digi Beta deck

We do have another FCP system with a Kona 3 I could do a test on if it would be helpful.

Oh and by the way, thank you to the moderators here for keeping this forum civil and taking those to task who don’t.

Andy S
Nashville, TN

Drew South

[Andrew Southard]

FYI, just did a test on the Kona 3 card and it is working fine. FCP 6.01

Drew South