Cinema Tools perform a Pulldown using HD QT source material?

[Russell Lasson]

[Marcus Ionis] “up convert using KONA2 Easy Setup 720p 59.94”

That could get really messy because 720P 59.94 is progressive, not interlaced. I’m not sure how the card would react. I’m not sure how cinema tools would react either.

It would simplify things if you went to 1080i instead. But there might be a way to do it with 720P.

-Russ

[Matt Devino]

I might be wrong but I think you can remove the pulldown on ingest using the kona card… I think another option, altugh I may be wrong on this as well, is there are new easy setups in FCP6 for cinema tools 3:2 removal, I would assume this removes the pulldown on ingest. Either way you should end up with 23.98 NTSC material, then you can upres to 720P without worrying about interlaced vs progressive. Although it usually looks better to do the upres through hardware than in software.

[Russell Lasson]

That might work with a little trial and error. Setting the digitizing in point as the A frame and having your easy set up to be 720P/23.98 (upconverting the SD footage). You might need to play around with it, but that would be slick if you could let the card do all the work.

-Russ

[Marcus Ionis]

So far I’ve played around.
The real-time capture doesn’t work because the 720p 23.98 is using Panasonic User-Bit technology. I’m currently on FCP 5.1.4 Production Bundle and Cinema Tools doesn’t recognize HD files for Pulldown. Hoping the new version of Cinema Tools would help out.

This is all for a client of mine that’s working in 720p 23.98 and they have some NTSC 29.97 w/2:3 cadence. Looking for a real-time solution.

O/S 10.4.9
KONA 2 3.4driver
FCP 5.1.2

Marcus Ionis
Editor / Graphics

[Jeremy Garchow]

I’d capture the Sd material as sd 23.98 (with the a frame trick) and let either FCP or Compressor do your upconvert to HD.

[Marcus Ionis]

Good idea
But will Compressor perform the correct Aspect Ratio? My goal is 16×9 Pillar Box from the 4×3 full frame source

Marcus Ionis
Editor / Graphics

[Jeremy Garchow]

Sure, if your material is 4×3.

[Sean Oneil]

I have a lot of 2:3 NTSC footage available. So I just tested this out with the new Final Cut and Cinema Tools.

One cool thing. FCP6 converts NTSC w/ 2:3 into 1080i60 w/ 2:3 perfectly. I was shocked. So they got that right (surprisingly). But converting it to 720p60 on the timeline does not work. It doesn’t deinterlace it properly.

Anyway, the new Cinema Tools will let you reverse telecine 1080i 60 footage, but you still can’t do anything with 720p. Sorry.

What I would do if I were you is just capture NTSC 23.98. Your client can work with in his or her 720p timeline. Its realtime in FCP 6. Even with FCP 5 it’ll work fine, you’ll just get an orange render bar. If that’s a problem then use FCP Media Manager or Compressor and convert it to 720p 23.98 (like Jeremy suggested). Just do a batch export overnight.

Sean

[Gary Adcock]

[Marcus Ionis] “Capture Digibeta source NTSC w/2:3 cadence – up convert using KONA2 Easy Setup 720p 59.94 – Use Cinema Tools to perform the 2:3 pulldown to 720p 23.98.”

the workflow is BACKWARDS…

Use CT to remove the pulldown Before you try to uprez your file, the quality hit for doing it reverse telecine is enormous

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Gary Adcock]

[Marcus Ionis] ” I’m currently on FCP 5.1.4 Production Bundle and Cinema Tools doesn’t recognize HD files for Pulldown. Hoping the new version of Cinema Tools would help ou”

Yes it does, but not in the manner you are using in.

there is not a pulldown anymore after conversion, you have converted interlaced frames to fields and the timing of the original cadence no longer exists.

Capture as 24 first then convert to 720.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows