Cinema Tools cutlist error

[Mike J.]

Does the timecode on the actual digitized clip match the burnin timecode?

[Steven Gonzales]

Did you capture your footage with handles?

Basically, how Cinema Tools works is Final Cut reports which frames of which quicktime were used in the edit. Cinema Tools is linked to the same quicktime file, so it determines from its database what the information for that frame is. If there are extra frames at the beginning of the quicktime file, then this can throw off the information reported by Cinema Tools.

Also, this means that Cinema Tools should work correctly, even if the digitized Quicktime file was captured into Final Cut with timecode that doesn’t match the burn in, as long as it is the correct length to match the Cinema Tools database record and when the clip is connected to Cinema Tools, the information in the Cinema Tools record DOES match the burn in (through using the “identify” feature while connecting the Quicktime file).

[David Z]

The burn actually does match the timecode on the tape. But when I captured the clips, FinalCut apparently added 10 frames to the head of each clip … which from what you say seems to be the source of my problem. I’ve looked through the preferences but have been unable to find a setting dealing with these unwanted handles. Seems my simplest solution is to recapture the material, eliminating the handles — any suggestions how I can make sure FinalCut doesn’t add them? … thanks

[Steven Gonzales]

Another thing you could do is create a new cinema tools database.

You could export all your master clips as a final cut pro batch list.

Then you could import that batch list into a new Cinema Tools Database.

Then you could link all the quicktimes to the Cinema Tools records, and then add the keycode information to each one.

This would be a little work, but you wouldn’t have to mess with your edit or your project.

[Kgeorge]

Hi … the original post in this thread actually came from me (I was logged on through a friend) …

I tried your suggestion (and also tried correcting the timecode & key number info in the original Cinema Tools database to conform to the actual captured clips) — but in both cases I got (identical) haywire cutlists. For some reason, although the preferences in the database specifies 30ND timecode and telecine rate of 24fps, the new lists say that all clips in the sequence are at the wrong speed and the lists are calculated at 30fps, which totally throws off shot length and key number …

At this point, I’m going to start a new project, reimport the original lab transfer logs (hopefully without the added frames at the head of the clips) and recapture my media. Of course this means recreating my cut, but it looks like it’s the only option …

Thanks for your previous suggestions …