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Chris Fenwick has a new project
Interesting blog on the move to FCPX
Moving to PPro then moving to FCPX.Fenwick has a new project
https://chrisfenwick.com/home/2013/11/18/fenwick-has-a-new-project.html“In the subsequent months I recommended to my office that we move all of our projects to Final Cut Pro X. I would be lying if I told you that the move was simple. However, the difficulties were not in what the application could and could not do, but instead the major difficulties were caused by individuals who did not want to let go of the past.”
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I don’t understand this:
[EDIT: To be fair, Adobe has made great stride in the area of Smart Renders in subsequent versions of Premier but it was a little to little, to late for me. I had already moved on.]
I am on both. I have used FCPX a fair amount, and now I’m working heavily in Premiere CC. It doesn’t have to be an either/or. I pick a) whatever is best suited to the project and b) whatever I need to be compatible with for project hand-offs.
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[Gary Huff] “It doesn’t have to be an either/or. I pick a) whatever is best suited to the project and b) whatever I need to be compatible with for project hand-offs.”
True. The days of either/or are long gone with the price of NLEs as they are. No more agonizing over a big financial commitment and having to live with an otherwise well liked NLE’s shortcomings. Now one can examine a project and its anticipated workflow and pick the NLE best suited to it. More common, I think, will be people/facilities having a primary and secondary NLE coming into play as needed. I suspect when FCPX 10.1 gets past the collaborative hurdles that will be come a lot easier.
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[Craig Seeman] ” I think, will be people/facilities having a primary and secondary NLE coming into play as needed. “
Don’t think so!
Imagine the chaos of managing a team of hundreds of editors flipping back and forth between their “NLE of Choice” depending on their mood, perception of tool set and phase of the moon. It would be a nightmare. The larger the team, the more important it is to commit to a common platform.
Add into the mix the issues of archiving and “reactivating” old projects and it’s a total cluster F*&K!
Perhaps in a small shop the notion of “right tool for the job” may prevail, but the larger the team, the more important it is to stick to one platform or the other.
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[Mark Raudonis] “Imagine the chaos of managing a team of hundreds of editors flipping back and forth between their “NLE of Choice” depending on their mood”
Not “NLE of Choice,” Primary and secondary NLEs . Facilities will use one but will use another on specific project, not two NLEs on a single project. From what I hear, that’s what’s happening with FCPX at the moment. It may not be facility worthy yet but it’s “creep” is due, in part, to editors who already have a handle on it seeing it as the tool to use on specific small (non shared) jobs. From everything I’ve read 10.1 will be a major step froward in its XML as well. We’ve even seen here in this forum that FCPX is working its way into use on single jobs in facilities where another NLE is the Primary.
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I wonder if, had Avid/Adobe arbitrarily EOL’ed MC/Premiere and released a successor that after two years was still hopelessly inept at taking over the workload, their users would have cheerfully described the cataclysm as a brave future in which it is normal to have to run two NLEs depending on which bit you currently need to work..?
I’m pretty sure Avid at least would already be a distant memory even if they started making billions in shiny toys and played the Beatles at the launch.
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[Mark Raudonis] “Imagine the chaos of managing a team of hundreds of editors flipping back and forth between their “NLE of Choice” depending on their mood, perception of tool set and phase of the moon. It would be a nightmare. The larger the team, the more important it is to commit to a common platform.”
This is true for me and I only have a team of 3-5 editors, but years of archived projects, which is why the choice of my next editing plaform looms so large. I am not polygamous when it comes to editing.
Given that all the major NLE’s can handle, with more or less grace, anything thrown at them I cannot imagine what gains you’d make in choosing a specific NLE that would not be offset by the confusion and loss of speed inherent in using multiple programs. It’s one thing for a freelancer to master multiple platforms so as to increase his job possibilities, but for a producer I don’t see the logic.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Mark Raudonis] “Imagine the chaos of managing a team of hundreds of editors flipping back and forth between their “NLE of Choice” depending on their mood, perception of tool set and phase of the moon. It would be a nightmare. The larger the team, the more important it is to commit to a common platform.”
Precisely! Even when it was between Avid and FCP Legacy, larger production companies choose one or the other, rarely both. The only places I’ve seen both in play were post houses that served a variety of clients, who used one or the other. But companies that have tons of editors and shows that need to get to air…they were either FCP or Avid.
In the terms of the larger companies, I don’t see this changing. It’ll be an ‘all in” type situation.
Although the BBC seems to be wishy washy. People come in and say “BBC BOUGHT 1000 COPIES OF ADOBE CC!” and assume that they are shifting to Adobe. Then someone else posts an article about the BBC buying FCX…and another saying they are going back to Avid. They can’t seem to make up their minds! 🙂
Shane
Little Frog Post
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[Herb Sevush] “Given that all the major NLE’s can handle, with more or less grace, anything thrown at them I cannot imagine what gains you’d make in choosing a specific NLE that would not be offset by the confusion and loss of speed inherent in using multiple programs.”
Again, not any NLE for any job. NLE for specific project types.
I was engineer at MLB in the early days of FCP legacy. It was an Avid house of course. After much hunting and my recommendation they went with FCP for Umpire Training. That had nothing to do with and never intermingles with This Week In Baseball or Baseball Max. Avid house used FCP for a specific and ongoing project which had very different demands than Avid.
Ongoing unrelated projects may be better suited to one NLE over another. There’s zero confusion and zero speed lose. They’re not related.
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in terms of big houses switching…this is a huge issue….i’m working with a major government agency evaluating every NLE out there now (AVID, FCP X, Premiere Pro CC) They must interface with an old server that doesn’t easily connect to two of the three NLE’s —
They don’t have the training time or money to push a square peg into a round hole….nor the resources to let everyone chose their own flavor…that’s why they are doing extensive, real world testing with all the NLE’s to see which creates the least pain and most gain in the transition.
That is why you “hear” about various organizations getting x copies of FCP X or Y copies of Premiere Pro — they have to license and evaluate the products with real world deadlines for a period of time to make sure they suffer zero downtime using them to get on the air.
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Not so interesting to me. The fact that he was not using Premiere Pro CC is a huge problem for me, while I would happily use FCPX over Premiere Pro 6 or earlier, I would not give CC for X. CC is a whole new beast, far from perfect, but a great NLE.
That said, I have high hopes for the next rev of FCPX, hopefully I’m not deluded and Apple actually finally gets it right and fixes all the missing things needed for my day to day editing. Too many to list sorry…
As far as Editors using a specific NLE for a specific task, I’ve been switching back and forth, many times on the same show, between Sony Vegas and Final Cut Pro since 2000 and still go to Vegas for all my sound design and final mix as I still prefer its speed to Pro Tools. But I’ve never met a facility manager who would allow the use of whatever NLE an Editor wanted to use.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
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