Changes made in duplicated project showing up in original too

[Florian Gintenreiter]

Did you possibly use Compound Clips? You know that Compound Clips behave differently in 10.0.6 than they did before. So if there is a compound clip used in both projects they will stay “in sync”.

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[Ron Dawson]

10.06 is the first version of FCPX I’ve used. But you’re exactly right. I did use compound clips. The whole project is comprised of compound clips. That would explain why one of the changes I made outside of the compound clips didn’t duplicate. Huh, kind of wished I got to that part of the Ripple Training tutorial before make the dupe. But that’s good to know.

So, then I assume if I want to dupe a project comprised of compound clips, I need to duplicate all the clips first? Seems sorta dumb and a lot of extra work, especially if you have a long project. I guess I can see the benefit if you wanted to re-use a compound clip.

Any ideas on how to dupe a project w/o having to dupe all the compound clips first?

Ron Dawson
Executive Producer/President
Dare Dreamer Media

Creating films that inspire and encourage the human spirit.

*** Dream Out Loud ***

[Ron Dawson]

On further review, looks like you can “duplicate from original” under the Audition action in the “Clips” menu. But it doesn’t look like doing that creates another compound clip in the event browser.

Ron Dawson
Executive Producer/President
Dare Dreamer Media

Creating films that inspire and encourage the human spirit.

*** Dream Out Loud ***

[Patrice Freymond]

Hi,

in 10.0.6 you can use the new function in the Clip menu : Reference New Parent Clip.

This should fix your problem

Patrice

[Ron Dawson]

That’s just what I was looking for. Thanks!

Ron Dawson
Executive Producer/President
Dare Dreamer Media

Creating films that inspire and encourage the human spirit.

*** Dream Out Loud ***

[Atilio Menéndez]

Yes, this is a quite ridiculous new behavior of 10.0.6. When duplicating any project which has compound clips, if one selects “duplicate project only” (the normal option) then only the “upper layer” of the project is duplicated, since anything within a compound clip is not. Why one would want to duplicate only the “upper layer” of a project is beyond me. Instead, you will almost always want to choose “duplicate project and used clips” and under that “multicam and compound clips only”. FCPX will then create a new event with new unique compound clips and will copy no media, as you would normally expect. But there is a bug: if there is not enough space on the drive to physically duplicate all of the used media (even thought that is not at all what you want to do) then final cut simply refuses to duplicate! And another bug: if after duplicating a project as shown above, you try duplicating the resulting event (which is composed of just compound clips and contains no media iself since it only references media on other events), then final cut insist in physically duplicating all referenced media to the new event. This all makes collaborating with another editor extremely difficult. You are forced to keep sharing both a project and an event each time you want to echange versions of a project and even doing that takes a lot of work!

On the other hand, I you are duplicating project to try out differend edits, then I recommend a different workflow: If, say, you want to try out a diffenrent edit of a scene, then make a compound clip out of the scene, then duplicate the compound clip by making it “reference a new parent clip” and use auditions to group the different versions where they “belong” in the project. That way when you revisit the project in the future you will not have to go through different versions of the entire project comparing them and wondering what you changed and where. You can just cycle through different versions of different scenes where they belong and the entire timeline ripples accordingly. Even the render files of different rendered versions are retained! This is one of the best and least documented features of FCPX in my opinion.

[Ron Dawson]

Thanks Atiio. Your suggestion to use the “reference a new parent clip” then cycle through auditions is exactly what I started to do. That accomplishes what I need.

Ron Dawson
Executive Producer/President
Dare Dreamer Media

Creating films that inspire and encourage the human spirit.

*** Dream Out Loud ***

[Atilio Menéndez]

Great to hear that!