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Changes in to event compound clips do not translate to instances of set compound clip in timeline
Hi All,
The way I understand compound clips are basically “nested” sequences in FCP 7. What often did in FCP 7 was that I would create a sequence with a long shot (e.a. football / soccer match) and overlay some graphics (e.a. time and score). Then I would nest that sequence and use the blade tool to remove certain parts of the nested sequence (to create summary of the game). When in hindsight wanted to color correct / adjust the footage in the nested sequence I would simply go back to that sequence and adjust the clip. The instances of the nested sequence in my master sequence would than all update.
In FCP X when I use the blade tool It seems to create 2 separate compound clips instead of just splitting an existing one in two. Whenever I want to adjust something I would have to make the adjustment in every single instance of the compound clip.
The same is true when I create a compound clip in an event and edit it to the timeline. I would expect that changes made to the master compound clip in the event would automatically trickle down to every single instance of the compound clip in use in the various timelines, but this doesn’t seem to be….
I there a workaround for this behaviour, am I doing something wrong, or is this just another “feature request”?
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Well it is definitely a feature that Clips that are moved from the event to the timeline are independent. I wouldn´t want my clips in the event to be graded only because I graded them in the timeline.
your first problem: also a feature if you ask me. Let´s say the first quarter was sunlight, second quarter you had floodlights in the stadium and they look different, but are on the same file (happened to me). So once you split them and fix one of them you don´t want this effect to be on both. That´s why you split them. At the same time I need to ask, if you wanted to put an effect on it, why don´t you do it before you split the clips.
I have sometimes to make different highlight shows out of football games (4 minutes, 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 60 minutes); I guess you try to do something similar.
a good way would be to step into the compound clip.
Here´s a way (but there might be many more):
1- create your compound as you did with the football game and the graphics.
2- duplicate the project, let the first one be called MASTERCOMPOUND; the second is “30-minutes highlightshow”
3- in the new 30-minutes project select the master-compound-clip and make a compound out of it again!
4- Now step into the compoundclip (“step into timeline”) – which is your “master-compound-clip” again.
5- do your cuts here; if you need global adjustments you can always do them on the top-layerI have done last season on FCP7 still. A 3-hour football game took me 3 hours to get broken down to 15 minutes including fixing the voice-overs etc. And in the end I had 15-minutes and not much more to work with.
I did a testrun in X (season didn´t start yet). With the event-paradigm, skimming and the magnetic timeline I cut the edit to 1hour40 and now also have all scores and big plays in keyword selections, because they just come as a sideeffect! So whenever I get back to this game I have the scores there. At the end of the season I click on seelction “player#26” and all highlights from that guy are there and it didn´t cost me any extra-time really.I never saw the need to make compounds like you though. I just duplicate the main project and cut the file up. The graphics like a score are connected exactly to the time of the score. So even if I cut a chunk of gamefilm out, the scores stay in place, because they are connected. Fixing the voiceover is a breeze with the fast J- and L-cut mechanism in X.
If I then need global effects on the film, I can always make a compound in the end to throw an effect on or do audio-adjustments. -
First of all thanks for your reply. I do think that it is feature request and I would like Apple to implement it as soon as possible.
This it the first time I tried X with this kind of editing. In hindsight the time / score was a little to big for my taste (the time and score are a movie I created in after effects, apple animation with alpha, the score is separate psd file).
Like I said the time and score where a little big, but I noticed this when I already cut up my compound clip and thus creating a number of unlinked compound clips. If I wanted to change the size of my time and score I would have to change this in every single compound clip, so I didn’t….
The result of my efforts can be viewed here:here Bear in mind that I am an amateur and that this is rush job. Actual editing took about 1h, rendering to disk 8 min, compressor took about 14 min to make it suitable for youtube (source video is 1080i, filmed with a HDR FX1E, recorded directly to disk)
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