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Patrick Sheppard
April 15, 2020 at 5:57 pmCorrection to my last post: I said that Migration Assistant moved the files, but I meant to say that it copied the files.
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Bob Zelin
April 15, 2020 at 11:22 pmYou are on 10.12. (Sierra) Good luck going to 10.15.
you just don’t click “update” and it works, any more.
Apple does not like their own customers.
Bob
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Craig Alan
April 16, 2020 at 7:08 pmWhat about 10.14 from Sierra? I assume clean install? and any best practices?
Any reasonable $? help in LA to get a clean install done for me . I have too much work to do without going through the stress I always have with clean installs.
Imacs (i7), Canon C300, Canon 5D Mark IV, Panasonic ENG HPX250P, , FCP X, teach video production in L.A., Cool Light Productions, Producing series of multimedia Portraits of creative women in the production arts.
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Craig Alan
April 17, 2020 at 12:16 amHave CCC 5….
And don’t see the worth in getting a new Computer.
But would like more space in the computer SSD is only 500GB. running low though I’m sure there is a bunch of trash.From what I have read sometimes catalina is ok and sometimes is a problem. I think Mojave would be fine. Any easy steps to do a clean install. It’s always been a problem for me. Wonder if it would work to set it up on an external drive and and boot from there and see how thing go?
Imacs (i7), Canon C300, Canon 5D Mark IV, Panasonic ENG HPX250P, , FCP X, teach video production in L.A., Cool Light Productions, Producing series of multimedia Portraits of creative women in the production arts.
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Patrick Sheppard
April 17, 2020 at 4:51 pmCraig,
Per this article from Apple: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201475
…you can upgrade to Catalina from as far back as Mavericks— AND —
Per this article from Apple: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210190
…you can upgrade to Mojave from as far back as Mountain LionSo you can upgrade to either Catalina or Mojave from Sierra. But note that either option will convert your Sierra boot drive to APFS, and update your Mac’s firmware, prior to installation of the OS.
Be sure to make a full bootable backup of your Sierra boot drive before doing the upgrade. Carbon Copy Cloner works well and is my preferred method. I’ve not yet used Time Machine enough to know it’s capability, but many people seem to like and use it.
Also be advised that if you upgrade to Catalina and decide you want to install Mojave instead, you may encounter a Catalina firmware/Mojave OS installer compatibility issue that would prevent you from installing Mojave. So you may want to upgrade to Mojave, which according to what I’ve read has been overall a lot more stable for people than Catalina. Then you’ll still have the option to upgrade to Catalina and beyond.
Per my previous post above, yes, do a clean install. My process was to clean install on a freshly formatted external drive, then use Migration Assistant to copy user data files and settings from the internal drive to the external drive, then boot from the newly created external drive, then reformat the internal drive, then use Carbon Copy Cloner VERSION 5 to clone the new external drive to the internal drive. Carbon Copy Cloner can create a full bootable clone of the new boot drive while booted from it. The software just needs certain permissions to access the entire disk and will guide you with visual prompts on how to do that. It’s very easy to setup.
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Craig Alan
April 19, 2020 at 7:31 pmHi. Starting to make sense. Thanks Patrick.
I’ve used CCC (yes update to 5 a while back) for many years.
And I’m happy with it. I back up my IMac
as well as all my external FCP and photography drives
I have never used Time Machine.
I think I will in the future once this is set up.
I’ve heard that Time Machine does full backups in case of a dead internal drive
and you never know when Apple will not let a third party work with the latest update.
But so far I have no problems with CCC.“Migration Assistant to copy user data files and settings from the internal drive to the external drive…”
This is where I have questions.
Does using Migration Assistant still keep the update clean?
There was a time that was not considered clean by video editors.
Will all my Mail and Messages be put where I had them (folders and so forth) with Migration Assistant update?
Will Aperture still work? Even though its not updated, I still have old photos that were
edited with it. And sometimes I use another app to process RAW and then use Aperture sent by Tiff for certain edits. Less and less but sometimes Aperture brushes or color correction get the job done. Do not want to use a monthly amount for a photo app. And do not want to pay full amount for an update.Still haven’t found a home since Aperture was EOL. I’m going to try On 1.
Imacs (i7), Canon C300, Canon 5D Mark IV, Panasonic ENG HPX250P, , FCP X, teach video production in L.A., Cool Light Productions, Producing series of multimedia Portraits of creative women in the production arts.
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Jim Curtis
April 19, 2020 at 8:27 pm[Craig Alan] “Does using Migration Assistant still keep the update clean?”
There are options in Migration Assistant. As long as you only choose User > Documents, and avoid everything else, your clean install will more or less stay that way.
That’s what I did with my new MacPro, and it worked out OK. I reported frequent reboots after I first got my new computer, but the frequency of them has reduced significantly. But, that was 10.15.2, and 10.15.4 is the current build.
If you migrate the entirety of the User folder, that will copy over a User Library, and that could contain remnants of your previous OS that you’d rather not bork your new installation.
BTW, last week I saw a “Supplemental” update was available to 10.15.4 that kept the version at 10.15.4. I cloned my drive with SuperDuper, then ran the update. Then, my Red Giant plug-ins became unlicensed, and the RG App Manager app would crash every time I tried to launch it – meaning, I could no longer use my licensed RG effects.
That was unacceptable, so I used my clone to revert back to the prior OS build, and I’m back in business. The potential problem users have now with upgrading is that they have no choice than to update to this “Supplemental” build. I don’t know if Red Giant has addressed this yet, or whether this issue is universal, but be forewarned.
Jim Curtis
jamesphilipcurtis.comMacPro7,1 24-core – 256 GB RAM – AMD Radeon Pro Vega II 32 GB – 10.15.4 (Warning: Don\’t do the Supplemental Update!)
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Patrick Sheppard
April 21, 2020 at 7:31 pmCraig,
Not sure what the answer is to your specific questions about Migration Assistant and emails, photos, etc.
If you do a clean install on a dedicated external drive and then use Migration Assistant, you can then test the new install to see if everything came over or not. This method leaves your Sierra boot drive intact and unharmed.
Alternatively, you can clone your Sierra boot drive with CCC to an external drive and then update to your preferred OS on the clone drive. This method also leaves your Sierra boot drive intact and unharmed.
With either method, if something messes up then it only messes up the new OS install on the external drive. You can boot from the new OS install on the external drive and test it out to see if everything is as it should be before committing to it.
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Oliver Peters
April 24, 2020 at 2:02 pmA problem when copying large files.
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Jim Curtis
April 24, 2020 at 3:26 pmI’ve been using ChronoSync for years for file copying. It has an option to do a Verify after copy that compares the copied file to the original. The other thing I like is that you can interrupt a copy process, and resume it later without having to start over again.
Jim Curtis
jamesphilipcurtis.comMacPro7,1 24-core – 256 GB RAM – AMD Radeon Pro Vega II 32 GB – 10.15.4 (Warning: Don\’t do the Supplemental Update!)
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