Capture Problems with ProRez 422 HQ

[Jeff Bernstein]

Easy sailor. My point in checking out Barefeats is comparing raw performance between the processors. Again, without optimization for a processor, you need to throw more processors at the problem. Considering the installed base of perfectly fine G5’s, YES, Apple should optimize the codec.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Jeff Bernstein] “Easy sailor.”

Oh boy, look out, now you really got me going 😀 You know, it’s really awesome when Barefeats does their tests and I appreciate them doing it, but they do it with some arbitrary things that I don’t even use (besides Photoshop). When they post a test that has something to do with this forum, such as how fast ProRes encodes on a G5 dual 2.0 vs a dual/quad/oct intel then we can compare. what I am getting at here is that you are saying that the G5s can capture ProRes, well, it seems that they can’t unless you have a Quad (and perhaps that will change with the ioHD). All the Altivec praising in the world is not going to make Apple go back in time and reoptimize. Final Cut is here to sell computers, and making your older machine faster doesn’t help Apple’s agenda. I don’t really think Apple’s agenda of selling computers is really ‘hidden’ either.

I hope you understand this banter is all in good fun.

[Walter Biscardi]

[Michael Palmer] “Does Apple’s new software codec lead to hidden agenda?”

Of selling new machines? I don’t think that is a hidden agenda. Apple is a hardware company first. Why do you think you can’t run Final Cut Studio on a PC? If you could, the price could easily be $15,000 for what we only pay $1,400 for right now. BUT you have to purchase Apple hardware to run the latest and greatest version of Final Cut Studio.

Nothing hidden about that, just the way it is if you want to be absolutely current. Final Cut Studio 2 works just fine with any Mac listed as qualified. This is ONE feature that does not work in real-time on the older Macs. One feature vs. probably a couple hundred that do work. Not bad for 2 to 4 year old machines.

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[David Roth weiss]

[JeremyG] “you are saying that the G5s can capture ProRes, well, it seems that they can’t unless you have a Quad (and perhaps that will change with the ioHD).”

Jeremy,

For the record, you can capture SD ProRes422 using a G5. I’ve tested it myself and I am able to sucessfully capture BetaSP to SD ProRes42 (HQ) via my Kona LH. Unfortunately I don’t have either an HD deck or Kona 3 (for uprez) to test those.

David

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

[Brad Bussé]

Aargh, well I’m seriously disappointed. I posted a thread about this problem in the Final Cut forum. I’m running FCS 2 on a dual 2.7 w/ a 6800 Ultra, a Kona 2, and an XServe RAID. This computer was top of the line when purchased less than 2 years ago. It can handle multiple tracks of DVCPRO HD and uncompressed w/ multiple effects applied. And now … well I’m finding out that it can’t capture more than 1/3 to 1/2 of a single 720p stream w/ ProRes.

[Michael Palmer]

It is so easy to stir the pot here. You are right Apple is a hardware company who doesn’t currently make their own piece of hardware to transcode their new Pro Rez codec for my old 2.3 PPC Dual Core. So I need to run out (after forking out for the new FCS2 software) and buy new hardware to take full advantage of a real time software transcode. Did you get all that?
You are right Apple is a hardware company. I knew this would happen when they dumped the IBM chips but now I know the party is soon over.
Michael Palmer

[Jeremy Garchow]

I am still capturing and editing uncompressed Hd with dual 2.0 G5. No one tells me I have to, just like no one is telling anyone to use ProRes. There are other options. In order for me to use pro res and the latest/greatest software/storage options, I have to upgrade. It’s a really simple equation.

You can avoid buying a new computer and buy the ioHD which will do the codec functions for you in hardware (among many other things) in July.

[Jeff Bernstein]

Buy your Apple stock now. It doesn’t look like Apple will bother optimizing the codec for PowerPC…

https://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305582

Jeff