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  • canon 5D mark ii ntsc to pal

    Posted by Malcolm Wong on June 7, 2011 at 4:29 am

    Hi,

    I was wondering if this would be a good way to convert Canon 5D Mark ii files for PAL. This was shot in NTSC, edited and exported to HDV 1080i60. I initially tried to export in “Current Settings” but the transitions looked funky.

    Would I then take the HDV 1080i60 file and re-export as HDV 1080i50?

    Please advise.

    Thank you very much.

    Malcolm
    https://dogeaters-manga.com/

    Malcolm Wong replied 14 years, 11 months ago 4 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Steve Eisen

    June 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Free option is to use Compressor.

    $100 option is Nattress Standards Conversion plug-in.

    Steve Eisen
    Eisen Video Productions
    Vice President
    Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group

  • Malcolm Wong

    June 7, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    So simply re-compress as HDV 1080i50?

  • Pradip Patil

    June 7, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Why are you using HDV format? is it specified so by the client? Have you converted the 5D files to ProRes?

    Pradip Patil
    Mumbai,India

  • Malcolm Wong

    June 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Hi Pradip,

    This will be delivered as a DVD, so it could be anything, as long as they can watch it on a PAL dvd player or a computer (probably a Windows machine).

    I’m in Japan which is NTSC, so the original Canon 5D footage is NTSC.

    Can you suggest a work flow, please?

    Thanks,

    Malcolm

  • Pradip Patil

    June 8, 2011 at 8:19 am

    As far as I know, the dvd players can play both the NTSC as well as PAL dvds, same goes for a windows computer, so no need to worry about that.

    Can you please tell more about your sequence settings? are you using source camera files in a sequence with HDV1080i60 compressor?

    Pradip Patil
    Mumbai,India

  • Malcolm Wong

    June 8, 2011 at 8:53 am

    The files I’m using direct from the Canon 5D seem to be 1920, so a higher resolution than 1080i. At those settings and exporting to QuickTime, the transitions get very ragged. Exporting at HDV 1080 seems to be a bit lower resolution but the transitions work fine.

    In my experience, DVD players can be all-region, but not always. Erring on the side of caution, I want to send a PAL DVD.

    Thanks,

    Malcolm Wong
    https://dogeaters-manga.com
    https://soundcloud.com/cloud-hands-project/sets

  • Pradip Patil

    June 8, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Malcom
    I would suggest that you read some basics about HD video in general and Canon 5D/7D workflows.
    The resolution is 1920×1080, so whether original camera or HDV its same.
    As for the transition being ragged, it’s because of you are editing the original camera files which are H.264 encoded, You need to edit them in ProRes.

    You will have to change the sequence settings, select Apple ProRes codec in compressor dropdown list.Then render the whole sequence and export a self contained mov file.

    Take that file to compressor and select a dvd preset. You might have to modify the dvd preset to change frame rate settings.
    Once compressor is done, take the output files to DVD Studio Pro and burn a dvd.

    Pradip Patil
    Mumbai,India

  • Malcolm Wong

    June 8, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Thanks, Pradip.

    Yes, I’ve been doing some research online, talked to some people and found out pretty much what you just told me. I’ve just started doing HD — and it’s a bit different than 4 x 3, which is eye-opening. More steps to take.

    Thanks for your advice and patience.

    Malcolm Wong
    https://dogeaters-manga.com
    https://soundcloud.com/cloud-hands-project/sets

  • David Roth weiss

    June 8, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Malcolm,

    People ask very specific questions here, as you will find out the more you interact on this forum, because making video work as you want it to work requires a high degree of precision. Pradip asked you the following specific questions for specific reasons:

    [Pradip Patil] “Why are you using HDV format? is it specified so by the client? Have you converted the 5D files to ProRes?”

    You answered as follows:

    [Malcolm Wong] “This will be delivered as a DVD, so it could be anything, as long as they can watch it on a PAL dvd player or a computer (probably a Windows machine).”

    It is clear that you don’t understand that video codecs are not all created equal. They are not interchangeable just because they share the same pixel dimensions. Canon 5D footage is never transcoded to HDV, as Pradip understands, because it has many limitations.

    And, by saying “it could be anything” you are underestimating the importance of the precise information Pradip is trying to give you. Respect his time and the attention to detail that professionals like Pradip devote to helping less experienced users like yourself by being specific and thus making the exchange of information more efficient.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor/Colorist
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles
    https://www.drwfilms.com

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.

  • Malcolm Wong

    June 8, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks, David.

    Yes, I’m starting to realize that the range of codecs available are quite different in quality and resolution. I’m very old school (learn as you go and not a great student) and was shooting b/w reel-to reel and telecining S-8 to Umatic when I first started.

    What I meant by “could be anything” is that the content to be viewed is what is important and worst-case scenario, they can view either on a PAL dvd player or Windows computer — which has been a problem in the past.

    Interestingly, yesterday I went to Apple Store Shibuya and was able to sneak in a few questions to one of the techs teaching a “one-to-one” and he said that HDV was a solution. But on the monitor, you see how an export to HDV degrades the image even if the transitions are smooth. He also gave me the same work flow which Pradip also kindly provided.

    As I lean heavily to the writing side of video/film, I really appreciate being schooled on the technical aspects of HD.

    Best,

    Malcolm Wong
    https://dogeaters-manga.com
    https://soundcloud.com/cloud-hands-project/sets

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