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Can Apple Be Trusted Ever Again?
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[Ronald Lindeboom] “Chris: Apple is NOT issuing new licenses for either FCP7 or for FCS3. They are giving RMAs to dealers and will not activate new licenses for anyone that were not already activated. What part of that do you not understand?”
The part where it makes it literally impossible for anyone to obtain a copy of FCS3 ever again. First sale doctrine means there are a couple of million users who have a copy they have an absolute right to resell to anyone.
I agree Apple should have left FCS3 on sale. But given that there are all of those copies kicking around, I just don’t see how this is going to have the sort of apocalyptic effects people are claiming it will.
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[Chris Kenny] “This is simply false”
No, it is not as black and white as that. It is neither related to iMovie OR FCP7 code wise, but it shares a lot in the UI department with iMovie. as you said:
“There are some UI similarities. But iMovie is not based on the same rendering engine or media framework as FCP X.”You’re right there. I was simplifying things but you latched onto that and attacked rather then answering the actual question I was trying to ask:
you said “if Apple really weren’t interested in the pro video market, FCP X wouldn’t exist. They’d have EOL’d FCP, not done a rewrite, and added some more features to iMovie to go after the prosumer market if that was the intent. The prosumer market doesn’t need many of the things already in FCP X.”
They EOL’d FCP and released a decidedly consumer oriented (in it’s current release) program in it’s place.
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[John-Michael Seng-Wheeler] “They EOL’d FCP and released a decidedly consumer oriented (in it’s current release) program in it’s place.
Tell me how that’s different then what you outlined above?”Because while the release may arguably be consumer-oriented, its technical foundations are substantially overbuilt for that purpose. It’s not really a consumer app; it’s a pro app that’s presently missing a bunch of features.
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[Chris Kenny] ” its technical foundations are substantially overbuilt for that purpose.”
I haven’t anything that isn’t Apple PR about the “technical foundations” What can you tell me about them?
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[Chris Kenny] “The part where it makes it literally impossible for anyone to obtain a copy of FCS3 ever again. First sale doctrine means there are a couple of million users who have a copy they have an absolute right to resell to anyone.”
Chris,
I said that the refusal by Apple to sell NEW licenses or to activate NEW licenses for users whose companies were committed to using FCP, is what largely caused most of the problem.
People want to know that they are buying legitimate software that they can build a company on, not pirated copies sold on eBay and show up with a cracked serial number.
You may disagree with that, but I have 16 years of building forums now and watching the way people react and what they react to, and I doubt that there would have been 1/10th the furor had Apple not pulled FCP and FCS from the shelves and refused to activate new licenses.
You can spin that any way that you want to, but them’s the facts, Mac.
Best regards,
Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC
Publisher, Creative COW MagazineCreativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.
“Incompetence has never prevented me from plunging in with enthusiasm.” – Woody Allen
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[John-Michael Seng-Wheeler] “I haven’t anything that isn’t Apple PR about the “technical foundations” What can you tell me about them?”
The “Apple PR” in this case goes into more technical detail than normal. In terms of the “overkill for the consumer market” sort of stuff: everything is rendered in a 32-bit float color space. Consumers working with video from 8-bit consumer cameras, authoring to 8-bit consumer media formats, do not need this. The engine is also extensively multithreaded and uses OpenCL (e.g. GPU acceleration) all over the place. Consumers simply aren’t working on projects complicated enough for it to be worth the trouble for Apple to implement this stuff to improve their user experience. And of course there’s the 4K support…
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[Chris Kenny] “This statement implies that brand loyalty is causing me to defend something I otherwise wouldn’t support, but one of the reasons I like Apple is that they’re willing to do things like this. In my opinion,”
That statement, and your overall defense of apple has the same feel as having a drink in support of sobriety.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.comI have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed…“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
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Chris … quit making excuses for this company. you’ve been brainwashed. we all wanted an (overdue) upgrade on fcs because we were all tired of running our machines at quarter-capacity, tired of going through tedious transcoding to deal with popular codecs etc.
apple LIED to the pros, saying FCP-X would ‘blow us away’ etc … i want 64-bit speed and faster workflow, such as the competition has been providing for years.
i’m not inclined to hold my breath for another year, or 18 months while apple maybe decides to add multi-track capability, or one of a dozen other features that would merely bring this up the useability level of fcp7 that we all have now.
i’m gone to adobe. there is no choice in the matter for me as a professional fcp-x is for soccer mom /youtubers who need an app to do half the creative for them.
enjoy it, and enjoy breathlessly waiting for the upgrades. talk to you in two years.
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[stephen knifton] “Chris … quit making excuses for this company. you’ve been brainwashed”
Anyone who disagrees with you must be “brainwashed”. Nice argument.
[stephen knifton] “i’m not inclined to hold my breath for another year, or 18 months while apple maybe decides to add multi-track capability, or one of a dozen other features that would merely bring this up the useability level of fcp7 that we all have now. “
Specifically what functions of traditional multitrack editing do you believe FCP X cannot provide?
[stephen knifton] “i’m gone to adobe. there is no choice in the matter for me as a professional fcp-x is for soccer mom /youtubers who need an app to do half the creative for them. “
Honestly, the more I use the app, the more frustrating this line gets. To me, it’s trivially obvious that this is a professional app with some missing features, not a consumer app. It’s littered with features of no value to consumers.
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