BUG: Clips in timeline slip 5 frames for no reason – REALLY FRUSTRATING

[Bill Davis]

[Eddie Adams] “So I have three interviews: A, B, and C. I’ve arranged everything in my timeline and output a cut. I get notes back from the producer, so I go to re-open the project, only now… interviews A and B are fine, but every “C” clip in the timeline has slipped it’s in point by about 5 frames or so, destroying the entire edit. This has happened TWICE now on separate occasions to completely different clips. Has anybody else seen a bug like this? It’s insanely frustrating and time consuming to fix. Thanks.”

I don’t know about anyone else, but you’re not being specific enough for me to have a clue how to help you.

You’re not specifying what content you’ve got in the Primary. Which (if any) clips are in a Secondary, whether you’re using connected clips or compound clips, or multi-cam clips or telling me much of anything else that could help me orient myself into making suggestions about what might be happening.

If you want specific help. you need to BE specific. (Maybe post a picture of your timeline so we can SEE how you’ve arranged things.)

Without something more, I simply haven’t a clue how to help you.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

The only time I have seen things slip without any warming is adding a dissolve to the first clip in a primary.

It does weird things to timing sometimes if there aren’t enough handles.

It’s easier to put as a secondary storyline and add the dissolve there.

I don’t know if this pertains to your situation or not.

[Eddie Adams]

Jeremy, although I don’t think there was ever a dissolve on the first clip in the primary, the first clip is the same interview (master file) that i’m having the issues with, and many of the clips referring to the master further down the timeline do have 2-frame dissolves on them to bridge frankenbite edits. After fixing the problem by sliding all the clips -15 frames as needed for proper adjustment, I went to open the file today and everything is f-ed again, same as before.

Bill – I apologize for the vagueness of the post. I wasn’t really asking for help or troubleshooting tips – more just seeing if anybody had seen issues like that before. I’ve attached a screenshot to illustrate my setup.

[Jeremy Garchow]

In your first post, you mention it’s clip “C” that is slipping. Is it only clips from that one clip?

Have to tried trashing prefs, starting a new Project and pasting your edit in to it?

What is the source of clip “C”?

[Eddie Adams]

hey Jeremy – the clips that are problems are named “2 Lacey & Justin” and all refer to the same master file. This has been the problem the last two times around. Initially, I had the exact same problem with a file called “3 Cooks”, completely different master file – slid all those clips -15 frames to fix it, and havent had any issues since.

Yup, first thing I did was restart, trash preferences, copy-paste into new project file, everything – no luck.

Clips are HDV’s captured using FCP7. Just doesn’t make any sense – and is actually one of many bugs I’ve been finding in FCPX – so it looks like I’m gonna have to jump back onto Premiere, I just cant afford all the downtime this has caused me.

[Eddie Adams]

Here’s another issue I’ve been having, in a completely different project. You select a series of clips and group them – suddenly within the group there are one-frame gaps between each clip.

[Jeremy Garchow]

This sounds like a frame rate problem to me.

I’d be curious if this happened with fcpx captured clips.

[Eddie Adams]

That was my thought initially but all clips are 29.97i, same as project – there is absolutely no mixing of frame rates anywhere. The reason I don’t capture in FCPX is because the program has a known bug (which I experienced) where if a tape “rolls out” during a capture, it dumps the whole segment and you lose that capture.

[Eddie Adams]

My thought is that its probably related to the fact I’m editing HDV native without converting to ProRes. FCPX claims to handle HDV natively without the need for transcoding, but I’m suspecting this is not actually the case.

From wikipedia: “Up to 15 frames per each cut may be re-encoded because of the long-GOP nature of HDV video.”

My issue was frames slipping exactly 15 frames….

[Eddie Adams]

Actually, FCPX does not even allow you to transcode HDV footage…. wtf?