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  • Broadcast safe and realtime edit to tape.

    Posted by Tomek Suwalski on January 4, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Hello.

    When I apply broadcast safe filter on a sequence I have to render it before outputing it to tape. I’d like to bypass this rendering step and still be propmpted about droped frames. This is very easily done on avid, you have to uncheck video effects safe mode in direct cut tool. How can I do this on final cut? I tried playing with RT setting, I’ve set record to playback quality in playback controls in system settings and after being prompted that my output can loose some quality it went to tape without rendering. I don’t know if it’s a good idea, rest of my setting were untouched (RT safe, video quality high, frame rate high) so I thought I won’t loose any quality at all. And reading all issues with broadcast filter on this forum, I’m just getting more confused.

    I’m running G5 dual core 3ghz and final cut studio 5 universal edition.

    Thanks in advance for answers.

    Rafael Amador replied 19 years, 4 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Walter Biscardi

    January 4, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Broadcast safe requires rendering on all systems as it’s a pretty intensive filter.

    And if you’re running a 3Ghz Quad machine, you’re running a Mac Pro, not a G5.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
    HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Ben Insler

    January 4, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    Just a note: if you have to render video (regardless of whether or not FCP, or any NLE for that matter, can play back the footage with an RT preview) and you choose not to, you always run the risk of losing quality and dropping frames. This is the whole reason the clips need to be rendered. FCP will automatically render things that need to be rendered to ETT at full quality (unless you change this under the RT settings).

    In Final Cut Pro there are render notification bars at the top of the timeline just above the timecode ruler. The top line is for video, the bottom is for audio. If thee bars are any color other than gray (native playback), purple (referencing full quality render files), or diim green (full RT playback), then rendering is necessary to ensure full quality, full frame rate playback. Bright Green indicates preview quality, but this is in no way full quality even though you see video playing back in your canvas.

    If you want to ETT with an unrendered sequence and be notified of dropped frames, go to your FCP user prefrences and make sure that ‘Report dropped frames during playback’ and ‘Abort ETT/PTV on dropped frames are checked.’ The first option will let you know while you’re editing/playing back a sequence if drop frames occur (so you’ll know you need to render that section). The second does exactly what it says – stops those operations if dropped frames occur while those operations are in session. If you don’t want to be notified, turn those options off. Turning off the second will allow ETT/PTV to continue with dropped frames, possibly causing stutter and sync issues that will not necessarily resolve themselves once playback returns to a less processor intensive section of your sequence. Keep in mind though that even if you don’t get dropped frames, you may still only be recording preview quality footage, recorded at the full frame rate – you will not get a warning for this.

    Best,

    Ben

  • Tomek Suwalski

    January 5, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Thank you for answers.

    Although there’s a possibility of quality loss I’ve never had any problems from any TV station about that. Recording many many broadcast tapes daily we have no time to render every broadcast filter, but of course we’d like to. Anyways, setting record settings to playback options allows me to record without rendering.
    Thank you again for answers and explanations.

    Best.

  • Rafael Amador

    January 5, 2007 at 1:00 pm

    Try to capture your footage already Broadcast Safe, and forget about rendering or quality loose.
    Salud,
    rafael

  • Walter Biscardi

    January 5, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    [rafalaos] “Try to capture your footage already Broadcast Safe, and forget about rendering or quality loose.”

    Impossible to do with a digital workflow. There is no way to adjust SDI or Firewire ingested material on the way in unless you have a TBC. Even there that’s a waste of time in my opinion to try to adjust every shot coming in, especially if you have a documentary series like we’re doing with over 700 ingested shots per show.

    better to color correct after the show is cut and only adjust those shots you actually used in the show.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
    HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Rafael Amador

    January 5, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Your right Walter. I was thinking about Betacam SP. In digital there is nothing to adjust.
    Salud,
    rafael

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