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BrickSculpting and Classical Conditioning.
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[Shawn Miller] “Well, alright then. You win, Andy. ☺”
Does that make him the Ultimate Forum Champion?
Walter Soyka
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Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “Does that make him the Ultimate Forum Champion?
“Perhaps he and Tim can have one final “Who Can Write the Longest Post” battle for all the marbles? 😉
Scott Witthaus
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I’d say that marbles were lost quite some time ago.
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[Scott Witthaus] “Perhaps he and Tim can have one final “Who Can Write the Longest Post” battle for all the marbles? ;-)”
I can only assume subtractive edits would be banned…
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Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[andy patterson] “There are editors that insist their NLE and technique are the best.”
I think I will disagree with your actual point here. There is a difference between “preferring” one NLE over another (we all do that) and a certain “technique” over the other (we all do that also).
I’m not claiming X is the best, I’m saying I prefer it.
[andy patterson] “Every time someone posts a link to Thomas Groove Carter editing people are in awe. I am not in awe because I know it is a dog and pony show he has done time and time again.”
That’s a good opportunity for your editing championship challenge. Carter is showing his efficiency cutting a spot in X. You could take sections of his video and make your own performing the same tasks and showing how your way is more efficient than his pony show.
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[Tony West] “There is a difference between “preferring” one NLE over another (we all do that) and a certain “technique” over the other (we all do that also). I’m not claiming X is the best, I’m saying I prefer it.”
One of the interesting undercurrents in these threads is the relationship between NLE and editing style. Bill talks a lot about how FCPX is specifically designed for a browser-first workflow. Others have mentioned here how Premiere is oriented for sequence-to-sequence editing in a way that FCPX is not.
How much do you feel your NLE preferences influence your technique? Or, on the flip-side, how much do you feel your technique preferences influence your choice of NLE?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] ”
[Shawn Miller] “Well, alright then. You win, Andy. ☺”
Does that make him the Ultimate Forum Champion?”
lol – yes, I believe it does. ☺
Shawn
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For me the NLE doesn’t consciously play into my editing technique.
While the technology keeps changing and evolving, my approach to editing has remained primarily the same since I was taught as an assistant.
I was taught the method of first creating a solid a-roll with a music bed and then filling in b-roll imagery, sound design, and graphics afterwords.
I think the constant improvements in NLE technology allow me to better organize material which in turn leads me to create more effective pieces. But I don’t consciously change my editing approach or method based on any NLE features.
I Hate Television. I Hate It As Much As Peanuts. But I Can’t Stop Eating Peanuts.
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[Walter Soyka] “How much do you feel your NLE preferences influence your technique? Or, on the flip-side, how much do you feel your technique preferences influence your choice of NLE?”
It’s an excellent question Walter and I think it gets to the core of it for me.
The whole reason I am using X is because I like the “tools” in it. I like the way the organization tools work in the browser so I use them.
It would be like someone coming up with a theory of the “skimmer” being a distraction for them and that I should try turning it off. I’m not going to stop using the skimmer because someone else has a theory about it.
I don’t have a problem with them having a theory about it, I like theories, but I’m not turning it off unless I’m convinced of it.
What’s ironic about this record thread is Bill has been describing this cutting away from the very beginning. He is big on rejecting clips in the browser. Or rejecting parts of a clip. He always was. What’s left in his browser is all good stuff that he wants to use. I on the other hand almost never reject clips. By selecting what I want I am rejecting what I don’t want, but I see the value in what he is doing. Carter was working the same way.
Having read Herb’s recent comments on it, I feel like I can’t say it any better than he did.
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “There are editors that insist their NLE and technique are the best.”
I think I will disagree with your actual point here. There is a difference between “preferring” one NLE over another (we all do that) and a certain “technique” over the other (we all do that also).
I’m not claiming X is the best, I’m saying I prefer it.”
You and I as well as most editors are open minded but their are some that think their NLE and technique is the best. I would say it is a small monitory of editors that are stuck in that way of thinking.
[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “Every time someone posts a link to Thomas Groove Carter editing people are in awe. I am not in awe because I know it is a dog and pony show he has done time and time again.”
That’s a good opportunity for your editing championship challenge. Carter is showing his efficiency cutting a spot in X. You could take sections of his video and make your own performing the same tasks and showing how your way is more efficient than his pony show.”
All I am saying is he is familiar with the footage. If you had several editors with content they had not seen before would and Avid editor finish first? Would the Avid editor finish first but perhaps the the DR editor has a better end result? Keep in mind their is technique and the NLE of choice. I found it interesting that one post production house uses index cards. It may be very efficient. Perhaps other people could use it in their work flow if they seen it first hand.
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