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BrickSculpting and Classical Conditioning.
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You’re failing to take account of a pretty important factor in this thought experiment of yours.
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[Richard Herd] ” Bill was bringing up the cognitivist’s point of learning knowledge v. acquiring knowledge. This dialectic does not require behaviorism”
Richard,
What’s “the point of learning knowledge vs. acquiring knowledge”?
Franz.
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https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/96150
[Richard Herd] “Does techne cause episteme? That is, if we change our editing platform does our knowledge (and not just knowledge of editing) change also.”
Richard,
The reason I asked you about your post was that it wasn’t clear to me how you were relating the ideas of theory and practice (or knowledge and craft) to the discussion.
Personally I don’t make such a clear distinction between the two. (So I guess I’m with Xenophon there?)
It’s maybe easy to imagine practice without theory – but I’d balk at that, as it seems to me you’re always working with theory even if it’s unacknowledged. More difficult, maybe, to think that theory requires practice (i.e. easier to think of “pure theory”) and yet if you imagine knowledge as a skill then we’re back to craft and knowledge as one in some sense (and I guess we’re back with Xenophon).
Two things that are interesting to me about the Stanford entry were that all of philosophers discussed struggle to make a distinction between knowledge and practice and that all of them take up the question in terms of ethics.
Which does bring us back to a question I’ve asked here before (in different form) – what makes “good editing”. How do you define it?
In terms of your second question, I’d say in general that the functional difference between the various platforms is small enough that there is not much influence on editing approach. However, as I’ve said before, there does seem to be an emphasis or assumption of browser-based methods in the design of X, so it may influence users to favour that approach.
Franz.
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[andy patterson] “No one just drops everything in the timeline. It is viewed first and placed where it needs to be. “
Au contraire…
Walter Soyka
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[Walter Soyka] “[andy patterson] “No one just drops everything in the timeline. It is viewed first and placed where it needs to be. ”
Au contraire…
https://library.creativecow.net/article.php?author_folder=ubsdell_simon&art...”
I don’t doubt what has been added to the timeline in the article has been viewed and placed accordingly as oppose to literally highlighting 175 video clips, 85 images, 26 voice overs and 28 sound files and just drop them into the timeline willy nilly. Once the content is methodically added to the timeline areas can be marked with ranges.
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[andy patterson] “Why would you grade all the footage if some of it might not make it to the final edit?
“Read my post. Grade, as in favorites, reject, keyword. Giving a “grade” to each shot, not color grading.
[andy patterson] “No one just drops everything in the timeline. “
I was referring to the “13 hour timeline” of an earlier post. I would never do that. I never liked string-outs anyway.
[andy patterson] “Shouldn’t you show them your method but at the same time let them know there might be a more efficient way of working?”
Been at this for 36 years. I have tried a lot of strategies. They can discover that if need be. But I find my way the most efficient way I have tried, so that’s what I teach.
[andy patterson] ” I think an editing contest would help to find out what techniques and methods actually work best. Remember many people thought Chinese Kong-Fu was the best form of martial arts until the UFC proved that to be false.”
I have no idea what you are talking about. It’s like having artists having a “painting contest”.
[andy patterson] “Once again I think FCPX is a good program but I think even people using FCPX will have a different method to their madness.”
My method has nothing to do with FCPX. I did the same thing in Avid, FCPLegacy, DS and Premiere.
Scott Witthaus
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“I have no idea what you are talking about. It’s like having artists having a painting contest.”
It seems that for some editing is all about how quickly one can get to the finish line. I think for others the process itself is quite rewarding.
“My method has nothing to do with FCPX. I did the same thing in Avid, FCPLegacy, DS and Premiere.”
Amen.
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[andy patterson] ” Remember many people thought Chinese Kong-Fu was the best form of martial arts until the UFC proved that to be false. Some thought Aikido was the best form of martial arts but the UFC proved that wrong as well. “
HUGE OT SIDE NOTE: Most experienced martial artists would probably disagree. It’s been a common thought for centuries that there’s no such thing as a superior style, only superior practitioners. So called “mixed martial arts” works great within the confines of a UFC fight, maybe not so well in a knife fight with an eskrimador (just sayin’). I think the same is true for any art form. There is no ‘best tool’ or method, just the best tool for the artist, the project or the production.
EVEN MORE OT: Kung-Fu isn’t a style… it’s hard work over time, anyone with a high degree of skill can be said to have good Kung-Fu, even a master editor. Chinese Martial Arts encompasses hundreds of different styles with different benefits for different kinds of practitioners. So even within that broad art form, you learn that ‘best’ is a matter of need and perspective.
Shawn
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[Bill Davis] ”
And having the database in X available to range select, tag and subsequently retrieve those golden moments – as and when they are needed – has been the single most transformative and efficient change in my workflow in the past 25 years.”Databases are not exclusive to FCPX nor did Apple invent the database paradigm. Apple also did not even event keywords or keyword collections. That was implemented into Adobe Bridge long before FCPX. Having said that the competition is getting better and better and it is free. I am not saying DR is better than FCPX or Premiere Pro. I am saying it is free and I like what I see. All editing systems can make use of metadata and databases as of 2017. Does FCPX have better metadata capabilities than the competition? Will FCPX have better metadata capabilities than DR in the year 2019? Just for the record Premiere Pro shows a thumbnail even in database mode.
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It is one thing to have a Kong-Fu or Aikido practitioner practice wrist lock and deflections with friends in the dojo. However when they enter the real world the wrist locks and deflections do not work as they has practiced. In fact it does more harm than good.
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