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Bricklayers and Sculptors
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[Charlie Austin] “I can’t speak to film or long form editing, as that’s not my bag, but doing what I do is first sculpting…making selects from a larger whole… then bricklaying… get all the chunks in place… then sculpt it all down into it’s final shape. “
We both work in the same field a lot of the time so it’s always interesting to compare notes.
The method that I use, and which most of the editors I have shared it with down the years have adopted once they’ve been shown how it works, actually more or less entirely bypasses the brick-making/brick-laying phase(s) as it is conventionally understood.
I won’t bore this forum with it but it does actually work, both from an efficiency point of view and a creative one.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Mark Suszko] “Documentaries often take the opposite tack and are more additive”
It really depends on what school of documentary making you are looking at.
There are documentary makers who proceed entirely by subtraction.
“Additivity” is the dominant mode of thinking about editing, but it is by no means the only possible mode, or the only mode in active use around the world.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “The method that I use, and which most of the editors I have shared it with down the years have adopted once they’ve been shown how it works, actually more or less entirely bypasses the brick-making/brick-laying phase(s) as it is conventionally understood. I won’t bore this forum with it but it does actually work, both from an efficiency point of view and a creative one.”
I, for one, would eagerly welcome that boredom.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Me too!
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[Walter Soyka] “I, for one, would eagerly welcome that boredom.”
If this were indeed a forum not a colosseum, I would certainly oblige.
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tokyo productions
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[Bill Davis] “And every good editor must balance both – regardless of the tool.”
Hopefully “every good editor” will have explored the outer limits of both options before deciding where the “balance” lies.
Regardless of the tool.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Simon Ubsdell] “There are documentary makers who proceed entirely by subtraction.
“Additivity” is the dominant mode of thinking about editing, but it is by no means the only possible mode, or the only mode in active use around the world.”It would seem that with documentaries, you often have to subtract in order to see what substance is really there. Then that gives you a starting point to begin adding. For example, do you need to write and record v/o and/or or on-camera pieces and edit those into the package to tie the rest together?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[greg janza] “It’s now been 21 years since I began as an editor and my approach to the process remains the same. I always create as strong of an a-roll as possible before moving onto the fun parts of b-roll and finesse.”
Pretty efficiently describes the “Primary Storyline” and “Connected clips” paradigm of FCP X – doesn’t it?
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[Oliver Peters] “For example, do you need to write and record v/o and/or or on-camera pieces and edit those into the package to tie the rest together?”
This was a HUGE piece of my progression as an editor years ago.
As a long time narrator and voiceover guy in my early days, looking back I can see how I “over-relied” on being able to shape the narrative via writing custom narrative scripts and doing my own VOs.
I can clearly remember the project in my early 30s where a major lightbulb went off after I realized that I could jettison ALL of my pre-planned voiceover work – and just tell the whole story using ONLY edited interviews.
Big growth moment for me.
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[Bill Davis] “I can clearly remember the project in my early 30s where a major lightbulb went off after I realized that I could jettison ALL of my pre-planned voiceover work – and just tell the whole story using ONLY edited interviews.”
This is less a lightbulb moment and more a result of the fact that nowadays, vo’s are considered a cheesy and much less effective way to tell a visual story.
vo’s for the most part have been added to a long list of editing devices that audiences have tired of. Dissolves, wipes, flying boxes, animated text and many other items just don’t make the cut anymore and for my money, we’re all better off.
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