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  • David Roth weiss

    April 22, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    [John Pale] “Could this mean the rumors were true about FCP X leaving Log and Capture to the card vendors?”

    That’s a possibility that several indicators seem to point at.

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  • Craig Seeman

    April 22, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    In many respects I think this is a good thing. I hate tying up an NLE with tape capture for hours. I’d like to start on the first tape while capturing the second. I like the Telestream Pipeline concept where you can start editing while the tape is coming in because it’s in an open ended Quicktime wrapper.

    With a networked capture computer or maybe taking advantage of Thunderbolt’s bandwidth I can see great potential for ways to capture while continuing to edit.

    Now the other feature is going back out to tape when needed. It would be nice not to tie the NLE up for that either but that would require a means to export timeline (XML?) and/or a means to batch capture when needed.

    Ingest itself should not tie up an NLE though.

  • Chris Borjis

    April 22, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    I’ve done a lot of capturing and edit to tape over the years
    and it wouldn’t bother me at all….not one bit….if I could capture or output to tape and edit at the same time.

  • Eric Jurgenson

    April 22, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    With a 3rd party export to tape app, you would probably have to export your sequence to a file first – an extra step.

  • Craig Seeman

    April 22, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    [Eric Jurgenson] “With a 3rd party export to tape app, you would probably have to export your sequence to a file first – an extra step.”

    And likely a very fast one. You’re NLE can back to editing instead instead of controlling an HDCAM deck for 90 minutes.

    The idea that your NLE should be spending hours controlling tape decks is not very efficient. Certainly in the era where export was slow and network pipes where narrower, it made sense but these days having a separate app on a separate computer is likely much more time and resource efficient. Keep in mind that, over time, the need for tape delivery will be declining.

  • Chris Kenny

    April 22, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “Now the other feature is going back out to tape when needed. It would be nice not to tie the NLE up for that either but that would require a means to export timeline (XML?) and/or a means to batch capture when needed.”

    I think built-in output is more likely than built-in capturing, because you absolutely need to support video output for monitoring anyway. Allowing monitoring output to be conveniently captured to tape is just a matter of adding some relatively simple deck control.

    Plus, built-in output combined with real-time OpenCL-accellerated rendering opens up the possibility for FCP X to offer something like DaVinci Resolve’s PowerMastering, which lets you output to tape in many cases with no rendering step. If output can only be handled externally, then the entire timeline will have to be rendered out to a flattened file first.

    But for capturing? Yeah, who cares if that’s built in. Back before most of our work went tapeless, we used to use a third-party app for capturing anyway.


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  • Chris Borjis

    April 23, 2011 at 12:20 am

    [Eric Jurgenson] “With a 3rd party export to tape app, you would probably have to export your sequence to a file first – an extra step.”

    For 95% of my projects I have to do that anyways for Blu-Ray/DVD/web versions.

  • Peter Bosch

    April 23, 2011 at 7:31 am

    If no capturing is built in, what will the icon with the camera and the arrow on the middle left side mean?

    Regards, Peter

  • Walter Biscardi

    April 23, 2011 at 11:57 am

    As long as both ingest and output can detect dropped frames, I’m ok with third party apps for this. If the app merely plays through dropped frames, well, that’s gonna burn somebody.

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  • Erik Lindahl

    April 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    I don’t see an issue with this at all. Perhaps “log and capture” features will be more stable when tied to a vendor-specific hardware even and MOST people have moved away from tapes for a large portion of the their day-to-day work anyways.

    What I do wonder is how Apple has improved the over-all media-management in terms of online / offline workflows, reconnecting, transfering, importing or archiving projects. The current FCP works okey there but it also suffers in quite a few areas.

    Some what off-topic but I’d love to see FCPX have proxy- or version support. I’ve found an interesting way of possibly using “auditions” in our current workflow (i.e. you can show the offline-, graded- and posted-clip with-in a few clicks – given that will be PER CLIP which isn’t always what you want).

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