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  • Black Level, Gamma or what?

    Posted by Florian Gintenreiter on June 28, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Sorry for cross-posting, but I’m not sure wether this belongs into the FCPX or DaVinci Resolve forums, so I posted in both.

    I graded a sequence in DaVinci Resolve 9. As a client-monitor I use a panasonic plasma connected to the BlackMagic DeckLink card in my MacPro.
    I do know that it’s not a calibrated monitor, but what I see is a relative problem rather than a absolute one.

    I render the sequence in Resolve to a series of ProRes4444 files, export an XML and import the whole shabang into FCPX. I rendered at “Unscaled Full Range Data”, because I don’t need to be TV safe.

    When I look at the footage in FCPX the blacks are at 0% on FCP’s internal Waveform as opposed to below that and the whites are a good deal lower than 110% where they start to clip.

    The images look flatter and less crisp than what I graded them to in resolve.

    Does FCPX remap the black/white levels or do some gamma voodoo?

    Remember I’m looking at the output of the two programs on the same monitor connected to the same I/O card, so even if the plasma is not a calibrated client-monitor at least it should look the same, no?

    Help appreciated.

    ________________________________________
    Director of Photography, Director, Editor
    Vienna, Austria

    Jeremy Garchow replied 12 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Bill Davis

    June 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    This might be just me, but your post process seems kinda backwards to my thinking.

    You’re grading your footage BEFORE you edit it?

    Not sure I understand that.

    I mean I guess I could see that if you’re shooting RAW and need to do a “1st light” correction. Is that what’s happening here?

    I always thought you did assembly and minor problem solving in your NLE. Then took the resulting master with all it’s composites and transitions – and put THAT through color grading so that you’re creating a properly graded master.

    I’ve never heard of doing significant scene by scene color grading BEFORE editing – but maybe that’s just because I don’t do feature type work.

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  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 29, 2013 at 1:17 am

    If you bring the rendered movie back in to Resolve, what do you see?

  • Florian Gintenreiter

    June 29, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I am not grading the rushes, I’m grading a XML file out of FCPX.

    ________________________________________
    Director of Photography, Director, Editor
    Vienna, Austria

  • Florian Gintenreiter

    June 29, 2013 at 8:56 am

    It looks like it should.

    ________________________________________
    Director of Photography, Director, Editor
    Vienna, Austria

  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 29, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Is there any chance you can upload a full res one second test render just so that we are looking at the same thing?

  • Florian Gintenreiter

    July 1, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    I uploaded a clip here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7unq1v9aswrsti/CHIMERES_Testrender.mov

    ________________________________________
    Director of Photography, Director, Editor
    Vienna, Austria

  • Jeremy Garchow

    July 1, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Awesome and thank you.

    I’ll take a look.

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