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Big dissappoint for professionals!!
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[David Roth Weiss] “It’s a bit like religion Stephan, you have to believe first, then your prayers will be answered.”
Amen!
The believers sure do seem to be filled with divine joy.
Stephan (atheist)
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“I had the same reactions that everyone else had, I just looked deeper, its about building for the future.”
Building for the future is a lofty ideal, but I have to edit NOW. My future is with CS5. Its a transparent transition that I tested in anticipation of just this kind of occurrence…
Tom Daigon
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[David Roth Weiss] “th you saying you’ve changed your mind, that FCP X is professional,”
I have not say that at all not anywhere.
All I did was agree with some postings that commented on my view of what was professional was a bit narrow. It is my view, so why not admit that I understand that it is narrow.
“you wonder how people can question your expert point of view when it essentially appears you and Tim are speaking in concert and possibly even kissing ass with Apple.”
I would expect people to question any view points with their own knowledge, my comments here are my opinions and the facts as I see them, I portray them as nothing other than that. My comments and opinions are mine and mine alone.
As for kissing Apple’s ass, I have been on the out with Apple for more than 6 years, there is no one at Apple that thinks I am kissing anything they have and I have been an outspoken critic of the failures of every version of FCP and the limitations of every software package out there.
What part of No 3rd Party hardware support makes me happy? Or now that I am doing mostly 3D work, there is no support for Cineform’s 3D codec means that I cannot do WORK with this right now?
Lack of support for GlueTools means I cannot handle DPX. ARRIRAW or Phantom work with this?Yet I see something behind it, Called Metadata, something that I have worked tirelessly for years talking about and trying to get people to understand, and here it is. It’s frakin’ powerful too.
So it means I need to learn how to work a new way, its not the first time, it will not be the last.
I have been working in file based workflows for years now, so this was not a huge leap for me, certianly not as big a leap as people are talking about here.
lastly for the record:
I brought this to Tim, it is my understanding that he has had no contact with Apple regarding this release, and from the “emergancy” phone call I had this am from someone very high up at Apple- they are not very pleased with me either.So I guess that what we have is a good compromise- when no one is happy with the decision.
gary adcock
Studio37Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, ILhttps://blogs.creativecow.net/24640
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[gary adcock] “lastly for the record:
I brought this to Tim, it is my understanding that he has had no contact with Apple regarding this release, and from the “emergancy” phone call I had this am from someone very high up at Apple- they are not very pleased with me either.
“For the record Gary, it was actually Tim’s comments in this thread that kind of got me in a snit. In all fairness to you, he added things to your thread that kind of combined in a way to change your original message. I read them as one unified message when I probably shouldn’t have. Sorry for that.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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How come if it’s version 1 it has an X after it’s name, would have thought that would imply that it has some thing like … ooh, 10 years of pedigree behind it and an existing fully functioning, tried and tested feature set for instance!
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Who knew this forum could be so entertaining! There seems to be flurry of opinions here so maybe if I offer this rant I’ll blend in.
Apple has not updated FCP in two years, offering an admittedly tepid update at that. The previous update came two years before that.
Adobe, a much smaller company with a much larger software inventory, has offered more frequent updates with many relevant feature updates. Adobe has done all that without completely restructuring the interface of their software and, more importantly, not completely changing the workflow. They offer new products all the time but introduce them in parallel with existing products so as not to disrupt profitable business operations. They still sell and support Pagemaker and Framemaker despite the fact that art directors and editors that I know prefer InDesign.
Here’s my point. To all that say that they are now getting 64-bit code, I say great But Adobe made that same leap and maintained a consistent interface while adding some fabulous features to boot. What gives? You could say that the interface needed revamping and I say great. But couldn’t you have done this on a parallel path and at least given the software the ability to communicate with other software? Maybe utilize XML or even a dumb EDL to allow edits to translate to another device? Or perhaps they could have thrown in Automatic Duck to do the job for them – seems like the polite thing to do. Legacy projects are vital to so many business models and to ignore that is unconscionable. To say that they will develop features on FCP X that already exist on a viable product, FCS 3, while discontinuing that product seems weird to me and makes me feel as if Apple only wants to sell hardware and use the software as a loss leader. In fact, since FCP X is not ready for a professional environment and FCS 3 is no longer sold, Apple no longer sells professional edit software.
Apple supporters are advancing the argument that it is a daunting task to do this all at once and we should give them time – come on, get real. Adobe completely rewrote the code for the entire Master Collection to 64-bit, added features and kept it running solidly. And they’re a much smaller company. Don’t equate Apple with some guys writing software in their basement. Apple is one of the world’s largest corporations with 66 billion dollars in cash reserves. They have the resources but fall short on commitment.
I would like to add this last note. Despite my having mentioned Adobe in a positive light, I am not advocating a move to Premiere. I have used many edit platforms over the years from flatbeds and uprights to CMX, Quantel, Sony, EMC, Avid and Apple. I believe in truly being platform agnostic and using the tool that’s right for the job. Perhaps Apple is counting on those who never have or never will use any other platform as an excuse for being lazy and putting their profits over our business and creative needs.
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It’s clear that the only choices right now is to hold tight (or abandon ship). Gary A. clearly states that there is a core to this application that promises much more. The problem is that it was shipped prematurely, or it should have been long ago told to us that this is a new direction, and that you should stay put except for the chosen, given it’s base of professional users. I went through the programming hell of Windows .NET back in the early part of the last decade, it was very similar. A beta product that was launched early. But MS kept making it better, I think (G).
So I think that the only choices here are for those of you who make a living off of being the experts at FCP, you need to pay Apple to buy the product and learn the current version, teach us all the great few things that it offers, and the rest of us will either wait for some semblence of a professional product, and pay you in the future for your expertise, which is a natural thing to do (heck lots of people are still using Windows XP with Office 2000 or more to the point, tape based cameras!), or we will abandon ship and head over to one of the competing products.
This is about tools folks, not religious artifacts. FCP is not the Shroud of Turin. I’m very happy with the current version, when I’m not using a competing product to save time for low budget jobs in avoiding transcoding time. I have no need to pay Apple $300+ to buy a product today that can’t even open my previous version projects! Heck, even Vegas can do that! (G).
Alf
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[Al Bergstein] “This is about tools folks, not religious artifacts. FCP is not the Shroud of Turin.”
Damn you AL,
Now I have to clean the coffee off my laptop.Seems like a religious debate based on the number of villagers outside my office with torches and pitchforks calling for the monster to die….
gary adcock
Studio37Post and Production Workflow Consultant
Production and Post Stereographer
Chicago, ILhttps://blogs.creativecow.net/24640
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