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Better snap up those Mac Pro towers while ye may
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[Andy Branner]”And what type would that be that you can’t in fact talk to them e.g. via a TBo adapter?
The ones that won’t have TB drivers? You know PCIe cards need functioning drivers to work over TB, right? Well, I guess you don’t.
[Andy Branner] And “high-speed” actually meaning higher than any given TBo RAID of the same calibre?
Yes, TB (even 2) will top at under 2.0MB/s. Many 8/16 HDDs enclosures can go higher. Let alone SAS drives or newer SSDs.
[Andy Branner]But I guess having to spend a few hundred dollars more after having (apparently) spent tens of thousands on old and new hardware is asking too much. :-D”
What if one is replacing a dozen? Or more?
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[Andy Branner] “I’m so happy for the PCs. Just too bad that I never once spoke of CPUs, speed or HPs or that the Mac Pro is somehow the best, fastest, greatest one size fits all yadda yadda yadda on the planet,”
Pardon my misunderstanding. When you said the following –
[Andy Branner]” … a dead, technically outdated and inferior (on so many levels) machine”
I assumed you were talking about PC’s, and by inference the Mac Pro was “undead, technically superior and technically futuristic.”
So instead of my false assumptions let me simply ask you what are these technical superiorities (obviously not computational speed) that you were referring too. Small footprint, lower power consumption, the fact that it’s round, the Apple logo?
[Andy Branner] “And guess what… little secret for ya… you’re actually not required to buy a new Mac Pro!! You actually can CHOOSE anything that strikes your fancy and gives you those so direly needed 4×32 core CPUs and eight PCI slots for those GPUs!”
I know, I figured that one out all by myself.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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I pretty much agree, depending on how it’s built. I just helped a friend build a Win64 system for about $2100 and it’s probably faster than any current Mac. All depends on how much you wanna spend – I think it will take well north of 5 or 6 grand to get an uber fast Mac Pro when it ships.
The biggest leaps in computer tech, thanks to gamers, is in GPU speed. I’ve already tested a current FirePro vs. a current nVidia with Premiere Pro CC and CUDA beats OpenCL pretty badly. I’m thinking Apple is doing some serious tweaking to get FCPX to run fastest on OpenCL hence the AMD GPU’s coming. But nVidia isn’t going to sit idly by and let AMD take the workstation world and if the built-in GPU’s in the Mac Pro fall way behind again a year or two from from now I could see folks switching to PC’s not because they want to, but because they have to. Of course this all depends on the work one is doing, the new Mac Pro will probably be more than powerful enough for day to day editing chores for years to come.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Andy Branner] “t at the point where I have to explain what a thread is actually about “
Which is a nice point since you are the one to hi-jack this thread with this response to the initial post –
“[David Roth Weiss] “For those of you who do need workstations with PCIe slots”
[Andy Branner]For what again? I forget.”followed by your diatribe about the technological death of everything not Apple
[Andy Branner] “you’re saying that spending several thousand on a dead, technically outdated and inferior (on so many levels) machine”
And as it’s way over the top to expect a coherent defense of those remarks from you – yes “out” is a good way to go.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Andy Branner] “But feel free to come back once you don’t need to reach for the K computer of the Advanced Institute for Computational Science as a reference to make an argument.”
Hey, Dr. Banner! Here’s some, feel free to ignore them or twist them:
https://barefeats.com/gpu680v7.html
https://www.barefeats.com/tbolt01.html
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[Andy Branner] “Funny that BMD’s CEO says “It’s the machine we’ve been waiting for!”. Hmmm… “
You have misquoted Grant Petty. He actually said, “this is the Mac we have been waiting for!” (emphasis mine).
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8898
The new Mac Pro will be a very nice machine, and the most powerful Mac yet — but we should be careful not to confuse it for the most powerful workstation available.
(Interestingly, Apple doesn’t even call it a workstation anymore. It’s a “pro computer” on the mini-site.)
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Andy Branner] “Where was anyone suggesting that?”
You mistakenly suggested that Grant Petty suggested that when you misquoted him.
There’s quite a significant difference between “this is the machine we’ve been waiting for” and “this is the Mac we’ve been waiting for.”
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events -
[Lance Bachelder] “nVidia with Premiere Pro CC and CUDA beats OpenCL pretty badly.”
[Andy Branner] “Funny how AMD and Adobe themselves seem to see that quite differently: https://www.fireprographics.com/ws/mae/adobe/index.asp Somehow I read “40% faster”. Hmmm…”
I don’t believe that Adobe has taken a position on which GPU vendor is superior. The AMD site you link to compares two very specific entry-level cards: AMD’s W5000 and NVIDIA’s K2000. The K2000 is not exactly a screaming banshee.
If I recall correctly, it was actually that exact link that prompted Lance to go try AMD cards in the first place.
Surely you’re not suggesting that his real-world experience is trumped by a vendor’s sales pitch?
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Walter Soyka] “[Andy Branner] “Where was anyone suggesting that?”
You mistakenly suggested that Grant Petty suggested that when you misquoted him.
There’s quite a significant difference between “this is the machine we’ve been waiting for” and “this is the Mac we’ve been waiting for.””
Honestly Walter, I don’t know why you engage with this guy. He is obviously just spoiling for a fight.
I mean really. The OP was just a comment about how if you wanted a Mac pro with PCI slots you had better scoop them up fast. Doesn’t seem that controversial to me. I don’t see what all the hubbub is about.
If you don’t want or need them, buy the tube when it comes out (which I will do since I don’t use the newest and shiniest tech and probably won’t have to worry about upgraded GPU for a long time). If you do need them, buy an old mac pro while they last or move to PC (Hackintosh or otherwise).
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[Clint Wardlow] “Honestly, I don’t know why you engage with this guy. He is obviously just spoiling for a fight.”
Sorry. I am trying to pick my battles, and I didn’t think that his factually incorrect misquote should stand unrefuted.
[Clint Wardlow] “I mean really. The OP was just a comment about how if you wanted a Mac pro with PCI slots you had better scoop them up fast. Doesn’t seem that controversial to me. I don’t see what all the hubbub is about.”
True! A useful public service announcement, courtesy of DRW.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events
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