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Best way to create a TV Screen in a scene?
Hello,
I want to put a flat screen plasma of sorts on the wall in a few scenes I filmed. I put orange tape up for motion tracking, but I have a few problems/questions:What’s the best way to make a 3d frame for the screen? Should I do it in AE or a 3d program?
Whats the best way to put a drop shadow on the screen?
Most importantly: The shot is an over the shoulder shot, the screen isnt covered by the actor, but how do you get the depth to look right? I tried blurring it slightly so that it would mesh with the background, but it still looks like the video is just floating there over the scene.
Thanks,
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Easier to reshoot it with the set and video playback carefully synched to the script. Or it would be far easier to reshoot with the set, or a propr frame, and fill the screen with your video track.
To do this convincingly, you must create a 3D room in AE and carefully place the camera in the same location and with the same lens with which you shot the scene. Then you can precompose a 3D frame (really hard to create in AE) and try to match the general look and feel of the location lighting and depth of field.
Lower your expectations
bogiesan
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A gradient overlaid on top of the screen to make it have lighting to match the scene would help. As would a layer with noise laid over top of the screen to match the grain/noise of your original footage.
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you need to watch the mocha tutorials. tv’s look real because they keep the reflections of the walls. as for focal length, its not a big deal, mocha can automatically calculate the pinch amount. color correct the frame by taking a fake key and using its color match. the frame can be made using maltanonn’s extruder and texturized effect. match grain and flip the remote!
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[Chris Wright] “you need to watch the mocha tutorials. tv’s look real because they keep the reflections of the walls. as for focal length, its not a big deal, mocha can automatically calculate the pinch amount. color correct the frame by taking a fake key and using its color match. the frame can be made using maltanonn’s extruder and texturized effect. match grain and flip the remote!
“Great advice, Chris. Inferring form the OP, not sure he is up to these advanced tools. Shoot, I’ve been using AE for a l-o-n-g time and, even thought it looks like tremendous fun, I’ve never opened Mocha and have not heard of Multaanon’s Extruder. I have great respect for all of his wonderful tutorials and advice:
https://maltaannon.com/bogiesan
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I found a way to get around mocha for now, it’s a pretty sweet script that you can use in unison with AE’s motion tracking, called TrackerVIZ ( https://aenhancers.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1070 ). Good stuff, and matching grain helped a bit. I feel like there’s got to be some way to make it appear to be further back (depth-wise) in the shot. It’s an OTS shot with the person’s head bottom right (not disrupting the screen) and the screen situated in most of the frame, but top left-ish. I blurred it a bit and that helped, but it’s missing something. Ideas?
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Less color. Very rarely does footage shot have as much saturation as a digital screen will. Try lowering the saturation. Also, try making it a little too bright or a little too dark. It’ll look more realistic if it’s not picture perfect.
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lower the saturation on the screen or the original footage?
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Well, I meant of the screen. But feel free to try both and see which one you like better.
The number 1 thing about putting something into a scene, is that it must be color corrected to match the scene. Make sure that the level of color is similar. If the whites are bluish and the blacks are reddish in the scene, make sure it is on your item too. It will all depend on your footage.
You may want to add a bit of a glow, you may want to make the screen look quite bluish, you may want to do tons of things. It all depends on what it looks like.
Remember, we on the COW are shooting blind without a pic.– The Great Szalam
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Awesome, thank you SO MUCH, man. I can’t believe how helpful people are on this forum.
I haven’t had the chance to try any of the things you mentioned in your previous post, but here’s a screen grab none the less to show you what I’m working on. Also, notice the weird angling on the left side of the screen? I’m doing that with a collection of null objects tied to 4 different motion tracks, one for each corner, so as to create a box and give the screen the right perspective, etc. But I think one of my crosshairs was a bit off when I filmed the scene, is there anyway to move every point in a motion track over like 10 pixels easily?it is squished, btw, didn’t know about the weird automatic aspect ratio change in AE.
https://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4504/prisonerq1.png
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Your camera clearly was not white balance properly when this shot was taken everything has an orange cast to it. It looks as though your camera was set for outside-type light, and was shot inside without adjusting it. You definitely need to either fix your footage’s color or color your “screen” to be orange-ish.
Also the inner shadow thing you have going on? Bad idea. For one thing, rarely does something get inset to a wall and have a shadow like that. And for another thing, the screen is providing its own light source; it’s extremely unlikely that a shadow would be that pronounced on it.
It wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a bit of a shadow falling on the screen but really noticeable from only one or two sides.There are a few more things I could suggest, but I would want to see your other changes first before we got too far ahead of ourselves.
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