basic timeline and project question

[Tcindie]

Having just used the razor tool to slice up a clip does not create subclips…

From the Premiere Pro 2.0 Help System:

To create a subclip
You can create a subclip from source clips or other subclips that are made up of a single media file. You cannot create subclips from sequences, but you can create subclips from titles and stills.
Open a source clip in the Source Monitor. Open the clip from the Project panel; you can

[Jack Laurie]

thank you. that worked fine. Now I have a bin with 7 variations of the same dance as separate subclips. I put them all on a time line (vid1) but multicam is greyed out? When I put a few overlapping on vid 1 and 2, its still greyed out. Do they have to be synched first? Do they each have to be converted to “master clips” in the edit subclip? Also, I have 7 subclips. multicam will allow up to 4. Guess I have to do 4 and then the other 3 with the new clip created from the first 4?, right?

thanks,
Jack

[Jack Laurie]

ok…i figured this out..What an amazing tool. I have a multicam sequence now, synched by audio marks and can multicam monitor. So now, other than the obvious play and pick cams along the way, Is there a strategy or way of approaching 7 cams views of this dance. If you want to see a quick 1 view shot of it I put on youtube it’s at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU6ojtBW0Qo . (Its a cheap trv19 sony, a poor low light performer in a low light situation, so its terrible quality (embarrased newbie 😐 ). I shot some of the takes closer, no wide angle and zoom on some faces and on and off with nite vision. The wide angle was done by duct taping on a small wide angle lens from an old nikon dig cam.) My daughter choreographed it so she’ll appreciate it anyway. Thanks for the education
Jack

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[Tcindie]

Jack,

The link you provided is not accurate.. it points to a time lapse of a woman getting larger during pregnancy.

Any way, I was going to suggest checking out the new Premiere Pro podcast that creative cow is offering. The first episode of the series talks about multicam editing.

https://www.creativecow.net/appodcast/

[Jack Laurie]

Thank you for your response and lead. I don’t know what happened to that link, but the proper one is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HihGzNQLdDo (although I want to get a multicam edited one up soon)

I finally figured out how to do it. I didn’t get at first that you drag the sequence containing the synched clips to a new sequence to do the multicam. It works great.I love the ability to simply select a segment and right click to change it to another cam. Also, while listening just hearing the beat you want to change scenes on and tapping the spacebar and doing a rolling edit that stops right where you are is nice. I replaced the sound track with the ripped cd one. Have to remember to unlink my audio before multicaming so don’t have to remember to do it each time I switch a cam after the multicam edit. Ill look at the podcast reference you sent.

A couple of questions:

1) what’s the best compression and settings for the best quality and compatibility for Youtube video sharing sites. It was relatively poor quality to begin with and got more blurry after compressing it (wmv ~500 for download). I tried xivd 4.5divx 2pass but it got rediculously pixelated. Maybe the setting aren’t right? Not sure if relevant but I realized that premiere pro defaulted to 48k for the audio. Is 32k better to work with? my ripped music was that. does it even matter? I will probably make a dvd for each of the kids ultimately, BUT youtube is what I primarily want to share with family and friends.

2) I’m thinking of upgrading my machine. Currently I have an AMD 64 3000+ (winxpsp2) with 1 gig of ddr400 mem. my vid card is nvidia quadro fx 3000 and about 4 hd, 2 of which are satas. The monitors are dvi, an apple 30″ and dell 24″ dual setup. I’m thinking from a practical and cost standpoint that changing the mb and processor alone would bring me up to speed. I was thinking for <$500 I might be able to make a huge difference with a diy upgrade. thanks, Jack

[Tcindie]

Do you have quicktime pro? If not, you should pick it up, it’s only $30.. Then you can export to uncompressed, or DV from premiere, though if you export to DV format you *might* need to install a codec (The Panasonic DV Codec.. get it here. I needed this to use DV footage with virtualdub, but it might “just work” in QTPro)

Anyway, open the footage in quicktime, and export a quicktime movie. For YouTube, you could do fine with a 360×240 image, use the H.264 codec, and set your bitrate to about 300kbps.. that’ll look nice, and should be fairly smallish in file size.

If you were compressing the full size video I’d suggest using a bitrate of 600-1000 or so… it tends to be more of an art form than a science sometimes though. Play with the compression settings and see what works.

I used 300kbps for this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKhkpKYXmZI and even when they strech it to fit the player window a bit it looks good. Actual size is 360×240.

[Jack Laurie]

Thaks,

I will try that. In the mean time I downloaded the xvid codec. I exported movie as dv ntsc with the same setting as the project and no recompress. Theres some unsharp mask and levels added. Then in virtualdub I compressed to 320×240 and used xvid 2pass vbr.
Its up at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkQL-NfPHX0 as well as another dance from the same nite at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wsa09CZZ6I .

To be clear…it is better to uncompress to dv (I assume as long as the settings are all the same as capture project and the ‘recompress’ is unchecked, then I have uncompressed dv?) I just used the dv ntsc that was in premiere and it opened in virtualdub. I see a mainconcept dv codec there as well. If exporting to qt, after installing, will there just be an option to export there ‘uncompressed’?

Also, If I’m going to author a dvd (a separate question) in encore is it better to again export uncompressed dv and pull it into encore or pick adobe media encode and choose mpeg2 (dvd) from the subsequent drop down. (Exporting direct to encore crashes premiere for me). I think I’m asking which program has better mpeg2 compression unless there’s more to it.

BTW, spooky movie. poor Cindy ;).

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[Tcindie]

To be clear, DV is compressed. If you export to NTSC DV format, it just won’t be compressed more than it was originally. This is good, because the file sizes are the same they would be straight off the tape (more or less) and exporting is relatively speedy, as no compression calculation is involved. Exporting to uncompressed video is really only worthwhile if you’re using something like an mpeg4 or mpeg2 source file, because you wouldn’t want to introduce any other compression during your editing process. Video compression is a vast subject, and there are many differing opinions. Personally, I’ve found the best thing to do is to play with the various settings, and find what works best for me.

As for your other question, I believe whether you do your mpeg2 compression in premiere or in encore is irrelevant.. I’m pretty sure it’s the same encoder. The only advantage would be if you used a third party encoder (like tmpgenc, or Cinema Craft) But Adobe’s is decent, and there are plenty of settings to tweak.