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Avid XPress vs. the new Media Composer
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That’s good to know. Before I posted I tried a JKL trim in Xpress Pro HD 5.2 and it DIDN’T work, so I’m glad it is coming.
— Wes Plate
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um….not really sure what to say to this post……other than, what are you talking about???? other than your media management comment, which is totally valid….Im really not sure where you are coming from. FCP’s interface is much more flexable than Avid’s, hands down….no contest…..have you ever used an Avid DS? You know, the HIgh End system……it is much more in line with the way FCP works….hmmm, wonder why…..maybe because thats what people who are not married to Avid, and consider themselves artists, not promoters for a system…..want and need out of a media creation tool…..Avid is a GREAT offline tool…..things are changing….offline and online are getting blurred…Media Composer was never meant to be an online system….they have been adding onto that old legacy code for years……again read my post from my discussion with Avid reps at NAB….quote….we want to integrate advanced keyframing into every effect but “OLD AVID EDITORS” get very overwhelmed and freak out when they see all those keyframes…..am I the only one who is non-biased enough to think that this is totally insane thinking? I know that people dont like change and get comfortable with what they know, but the only thing I can say is that I feel it is my duty as an artist to keep up on the tools of my trade and if there is a better way to do things than I need to take the time to learn them…..
Segment Mode!!!! Get rid of it. Not needed….cumbersome, let me just grab stuff in the timeline and alter as needed without all the extra steps….please….pretty please…..let me lasso more than one clip and move them all at the same time above or below to other tracks…..please…..let me move a clip without losing my dissolves….if this is a feature, I dont get it……and dont let me get started on the audio editing tools….talk about cumbersome…..give me a waveform that I can use…….and stepping into clips to see more than one effect…..ugg….what the hell…..cant I just stack effects and see the results like every other system….then when you step into an effect you cant see above it….insane…..
Im sure Ill get blasted for this post, so be it……I know this wasnt supposed to turn into a Avid vs FCP post, but it always ends up that way, people get so hung up on the tools they use…..like they programed the damn thing and take it personally if anyone points out its faults…..so when I see someon get on here and just bash FCP without really seeming to have any understanding what the system can do……
I like Avid products….use them all the time, and am even featured on their website, so Im not here trying to bash them, I just want them to get with the times, because lately when using Media COmposer, I feel limited and it is frustrating, thinking, ahhh I could do this so easy in this system or that system…..
anyways…sorry to go on and on….just MHO……take it or leave it….or let the backlash begin….
Paul
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It works in 5.2, actually since 5.0… you have to select it (they made it a user option) go into settings and I believe it’s under Trim (not at the machine right now)
Kenton VanNatten
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um….not really sure what to say to this post……other than, what are you talking about????
.- Do you think I don’t know what I’m talking about?
I don’t know who you are, but chances are I was editng when you were in Elementary School. I’ve worked on every NLE humanity has invented.
I’m the one who should ask if you know what you’re talking about.
AVID DS is NOT a NLE (although you can edit on it)
Avis DS has NEVER BEEN intended to be an NLE. It must be Terrible to edit a long project on it.
Is a compositing/finishing app more related to Flame or even After Effects than to AVID and it comes from the Canadian Softimage family, not from the Media Composer’s.
The early versions had NOTHING in common with an NLE, Avid has given DS some NLE features
Curiously, AVID DS uses an ATI FIRE video card (ATI is not supported by any other AVID product)
“Im sure Ill get blasted for this post, so be it……”
.- Don’t worry, we understand Newbies.
“I know this wasnt supposed to turn into a Avid vs FCP post, but it always ends up that way, people get so hung up on the tools they use…..like they programed the damn thing and take it personally if anyone points out its faults…..”
.- Where did I take this personally?
For example, The basic titler in FCP is absolutely crappy AND THAT’S A KNOWN FACT, even for the FCP’s fanatics.
It doesn’make the title over the video, You have to type blindly first and later you can move it.
The FCP’s titler doesn’t have Border and Shadows within (that’s really weird) and the interface is odd and unfriendly. You have limited positioning choices when you are making the title (center, left , etc)
Is the worst titler ever.
“so when I see someon get on here and just bash FCP without really seeming to have any understanding what the system can do……”
.- OH, Pleeeeease!! I could give You FCP lessons, kid.
I know FCP deeply.
I’ve worked on it since version 1.2.5.
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“Curiously, AVID DS used an ATI FIRE video card (ATI is not supported by any other AVID product)”
.- AVID DS (formerly SOFTIMAGE DS) with the Equinox boardset, not AVID DS NITRIS.
Earlier AVID DS and DS HD used a 3Dlabs card.
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Actually, both JKL and extend have been there since 4.0 Anyone ever look at the command palette or change their keyboard setttings?
Dennis
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Actually, I upgraded from XDV3.5 to Pro5.2, so I bypassed the 4.x series altogether, I knew JKL/extend was included earlier, just wasn’t sure exactly when they added it.
Kenton VanNatten
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[Carl] “AVID DS is NOT a NLE (although you can edit on it)
Avis DS has NEVER BEEN intended to be an NLE. It must be Terrible to edit a long project on it.
Is a compositing/finishing app more related to Flame or even After Effects than to AVID and it comes from the Canadian Softimage family, not from the Media Composer’s. “
wow… what a load of BS. Either you have never used DS or you have not used it for long enough.
Avid DS is a really good editor. I would even dare to say that I prefer it to both MC and FCP. I don’t have lots of experience on MC, tho. The only thing that makes it a bit poor for offline type of work is the limited media management (which has some very wise features but some major shortcomings at the same time). As far as hardware goes, DS has used many different video cards since v1, and ATI FireGL has been one of them. https://www3.softimage.com/avidds/default.asp?url=/DS/default.aspAnd btw, FCP does have a great titler, it’s Boris Title 3D and it’s been included for a while now. It doesn’t let you see the background when typing, but who really cares except in discussions like this one…
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……well, now that you have turned this into a personal attack on me…….I will close by saying, your right, you have no idea who I am, or my history, I wont bother going into it, but I will say that people at Avid know me, I am featured on thier website, I was one of the first people to use Adrenaline in production……so before you blindly go insulting me, you might want to think about it first……but your old, I know….your blood pressure is high, take a deep breathe…its ok…..I like Avid too, you didnt program it, dont take it so personally…..
Now I have to get back to the feature Im doing…..and you go do…whatever it is you do……..
Paul
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……well, now that you have turned this into a personal attack on me…….
.- Well, You did it first. YOU DID turn this discussion personaly.
It’s a shame you couldn’t realize that.
“…..so when I see someon get on here and just bash FCP without really seeming to have any understanding what the system can do……”
Like I’ve never used FCP, like I do not know what I’m talking about…
Please!!
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