audio lost after rendering from art of the track

[John Rofrano]

I’m not sure what could be happening with the audio. I assume some audio is present and then it cuts out? Double check that you did not add a volume envelope to your project and turn off the volume at some point. Play the exact same spot in your project timeline to be sure that the audio still plays.

As for the black bars, this is because HD 16:9 and PAL 16:9 are not the same. You will have to crop the video events in your project to Match Output Aspect in order for the black bars to go away.

~jr

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[Lynn Ellsworth]

What is a volume envelope?

My latest problem is that I lost all audio between Vegas and Architect. I experimented at first with saving the Vegas output as a .MPG file and then went back to a regular .vf file format. Some where the audio got lost.

I am using 3 tracks for audio and 1 track for video. Audio plays fine in Vegas and audio comes directly from the mini DVD.

I hate Sony Vegas and Architect Studio. Trying to take video off a mini DVD from a Sony Camcorder, making edits, and then making a full size DVD takes all day because the instructions are terrible.

I still can’t figure our how to get rid of the title “MENU 1” or change its name in Architect.

[John Rofrano]

Hi Lynn,

Let me try and address all of the questions you brought up one at a time:

> What is a volume envelope?

A volume envelope allows you to control the volume over time. It may not be available in the Movie Studio version of Vegas (which I assume you have).

> My latest problem is that I lost all audio between Vegas and Architect. I experimented at first with saving the Vegas output as a .MPG file

It is possible that the MPEG format you used did not include audio. This is because MPEG audio is not part of the NTSC DVD spec. You should render your audio separately in the AC3 format or as a WAV file if the Movie Studio version doesn’t support AC3 rendering.

> … and then went back to a regular .vf file format. Some where the audio got lost.

.vf is not a render format. it is your actual project file that you save using “save” or “save as”.

> I am using 3 tracks for audio and 1 track for video. Audio plays fine in Vegas and audio comes directly from the mini DVD.

Good. This means you didn’t loose the audio in your project. Since you are using the Movie Studio version of Vegas, why don’t you just forget about rendering and use the Make Movie button which takes all of the guess work out of it?

> I hate Sony Vegas and Architect Studio. Trying to take video off a mini DVD from a Sony Camcorder, making edits, and then making a full size DVD takes all day because the instructions are terrible. I still can’t figure our how to get rid of the title “MENU 1” or change its name in Architect.

Click on the “MENU 1” with your mouse to highlight it and press F2. then type the new title.

It sounds like you might benefit from some training. We have an excellent training DVD for Vegas Movie Studio and also a book Instant Vegas Movie Studio that you might find useful. Douglas Spotted Eagle and I wrote the book and Douglas is the trainer on the DVD. It might help to actually see the workflow. I learn a lot more from DVD’s than from books myself.

~jr

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[Lynn Ellsworth]

Thank you,
My current DVD of folk dances is complete.
Like you said MPEG 2 does not copy audio but MPEG 1 does.
I did send the Vegas file directly to Architect and it did work this time but I experimented with MPEG 1.
The work only took 9-1/2 hours and 30 minutes of swearing.
Lynn

[John Rofrano]

MPEG1 is going to look horrible compared to MPEG2. Just render the audio was a WAV file and give it the same name as the MPEG2 video file. DVD Architect will automatically load the audio when you drop the video on it. You really want to render to MPEG2 for DVD quality.

~jr

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[Lynn Ellsworth]

MPEG 2 for video and .wav for audio and the video is just dropped on the audio.

OK, but the video and audio have to match perfectly as I am making international folk dance DVDs. Any problem matching up the video and audio exactly?

Maybe I should just stick with letting Vegas make .vf files and let Vegas render (translate) the .vf format to the .dar format that Architect needs.

I suppose Sony has some reason for making .vf and .dar file formats but it seems clumsy to me. Or is it because I am using a miniDVD type camcorder that records in MPEG 2? The miniDVD type camcorder doesn’t seem to have been a good idea. Even a tiny Fuji Finepix Z still digital camera takes better videos under inside lights with MPEG 4 than our Sony miniDVD 405 Camcorder.

[John Rofrano]

> MPEG 2 for video and .wav for audio and the video is just dropped on the audio.

You render them both one right after the other. For example you render “MyVideo.mpg” and then render “MyVideo.wav” right after it. DVD Architect will see that both files are named “MyVideo” and will assume that the wav file goes with the mpg file.

> OK, but the video and audio have to match perfectly as I am making international folk dance DVDs. Any problem matching up the video and audio exactly?

Nope. If you don’t modify the project between renders they will be in perfect sync.

> Maybe I should just stick with letting Vegas make .vf files and let Vegas render (translate) the .vf format to the .dar format that Architect needs.

You are still confused about .vf and .dar files. These are not render formats. These are the project files that contain the information about each project. They contain all of your edit decisions that you save. Don’t confuse save with render.

> The miniDVD type camcorder doesn’t seem to have been a good idea. Even a tiny Fuji Finepix Z still digital camera takes better videos under inside lights with MPEG 4 than our Sony miniDVD 405 Camcorder.

If you want to edit your videos then you are correct. this is the worse possible camera decision you could have made. These cameras are for people who just want to shoot-n-view. If all you want to do is transfer what you shot to a big DVD then you would be better off with software like Ulead DVD Movie Factory. It can literally copy from the camera miniDVD to a large DVD with menus in one or two clicks.

BUT, if you want to edit video, then you would be better off with a different camera that takes higher quality video which can stand up to editing and re-rendering. Live and learn.

~jr

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[Lynn Ellsworth]

Again Thank You,

I will have to try the MPEG 2 video and .WAV audio combination.

You are correct that I don’t understand the difference between files with all my movie information and what rendering is. The fact you have pointed out there is a difference is helping me learn.

After we bought the Sony miniDVD camcorder saving to MPEG 2 the hard drive camcorders saving to MPEG 4 became popular and now the latest camcorders use SD cards saving to MPEG 4. Most editing software seems to have jumped from the old tape camcorders format to the new MPEG 4 format and camcorders saving to MPEG 2 have been skipped in good editing software development. Like you said live and learn.

I really like the size of the new camcorders saving to SD cards and I am researching them for their ability to take good video in less than ideal inside lighting. The Sony 405 miniDVD camcorder is not very good in less than ideal outside sun light.

[John Rofrano]

Lynn, I’m glad you understand things a bit better. Feel free to ask lots of questions. That’s how we all learn.

You will be hard pressed to find a consumer camera that takes good low light pictures. This is because the CCD/CMOS chips are too small (1/3 inch or less!) and the pixel count is too high. What has happened in the “pixel wars” is that consumers think that more is better but that’s only true if you increase the size of the chip. Unfortunately, packing more pixels into the same size chip results in smaller pixels which are less sensitive to light thus giving poorer and poorer low light performance every time they up the pixel count. The old analog cameras were much, much better in low light than any consumer camera you can buy today, mostly due to their large chips and lower pixel count. And they call that progress? 🙁

Good luck in your search.

~jr

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