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Audio editing in X
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I’m assuming he is doing FAST turnaround editing; what you edit is what goes to air.
EITHER a play out or an export to EVS, which is STEREO where LEFT is FULL ENGLISH MIX and RIGHT is INTERNATIONAL (i.e. NO DIALOGUE)
This is how sports turnaround editing has been done since the days of 1″ – and shows up the lack of a decent audio mixer / bussing in FCPx quite well.
If the delivery requirement were 2 x STEREO (1&2 = Full Mix, 3&4 = M&E/International/FX Only/Whatever you want to call it) then this is even trickier / impossible in X as it currently stands.
The choices of sequence / timeline / project in X are Stereo or Surround – and I think to do it in a Surround sequence would be too tricky.
Better to stick with FCP7 or move to Avid or PPro.
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Dealing with roles is very easy in X, and exporting all sorts of Track variations is not a problem. its a matter of muscle memory.
I work for DW-TV in Berlin on Avid sound recording and editing for the hourly news, and I just don’t see why X couldn’t do the job just as well or even better, especially while I was working for Promiflash on X pumping out jobs like a madman last year, and having more time per hour to really work on the sound and fiddle with fx and cc.Rendering and exporting in 7 just takes too long.
“Always look on the bright side of life” – Monty Python
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I would approach it similar to you Jeremy. Since Roles can determine the channel in the export, you can make these kinds of edits fairly easily.
Don’t bother disconnecting the audio from the video. Just leave it and assign the Role English to the english full mix channel and INTL for the international channel.
Then when you reach a part with english commentary that you want to lose, use the range tool to select the section in the english channel and hit V to disable it.
Select the same area on the INTL channel (it’s easy if you have snapping on. Hit CMD+C to copy it, and with the playhead at the start range, hit OPT+V to paste the INTL copied sound as a connected clip.
Go through your entire sequence and when you’re done, lasso select all the connected audio and change their Role to English so that when you export, it’s mixed into that channel.
Done.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Trevor Asquerthian] “If the delivery requirement were 2 x STEREO (1&2 = Full Mix, 3&4 = M&E/International/FX Only/Whatever you want to call it) then this is even trickier / impossible in X as it currently stands. “
Trevor, I’m sorry but this is completely wrong. It’s quite easy to do this kind of output using Roles. That’s what Roles were designed for.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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Trevor, I have delivered files with stereo tracks as you describe to DW-TV exported from X. I don’t see why it should be impossible, actually was faster than the FCP 7 projects I export when dealing with Pro7 or RTL. It really is a matter of getting used to working with roles in my opinion.
“Always look on the bright side of life” – Monty Python
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(I’m on my ipad, quoting cow style doesn’t work)
Andy wrote: “Don’t bother disconnecting the audio from the video. Just leave it and assign the Role English to the english full mix channel and INTL for the international channel.”
You can assign roles to individual channels without disconnecting? Looks like i got some workflow adjustments to do tonight. Thanks, Andy.
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[Nikolas Bäurle] “You can assign roles to individual channels without disconnecting? Looks like i got some workflow adjustments to do tonight. Thanks, Andy.”
Absolutely, I do it all the time with 6-8 channel masters we get. open in timeline, assign roles, edit away. 🙂
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[Nikolas Bäurle] “You can assign roles to individual channels without disconnecting? Looks like i got some workflow adjustments to do tonight. Thanks, Andy.”
It has to be done in the timeline and can’t be done from the inspector on the original clip.
You can assign individual roles to each audio component, but you have to expand the audio components first.
Jeremy
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You can export multichannel QTs in fcpx with ease.
You are not limited to stereo or surround.
It is much easier to do than in Pr.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “t has to be done in the timeline and can’t be done from the inspector on the original clip. “
Correct, but opening the master in a timeline and assigning roles to components(channels) before editing is a great timesaver… Way faster than any track-patching… 😉
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