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Attn: Jan and Panasonic: informal poll on removable lense for HVX-200
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Why we need a decent lens??
Because one needs to control it Mr.Nattress.
Fujinon on JVC has got decent manual controls.Panasonic Leica does not have it.
jiri vrozina -
Mate,You can talk about it with other cameramen who will understand You 100%.
Unfortunatly there is plenty of users who have never operated decent video camera with decent optics.I am behind You 100%.
jiri vrozina -
Decent manual lens does not equal great quality picture. The only real variable that equals the best picture is the optical nature of the lens itself.
From what others have said about the DVX which this camera improves on – it has about the best, in terms of control, manual-ness of it’s type. In terms of control, what, precisely, does the lens of the HVX not do. Is it that the focus doesn’t have hard end stops. I’m told you can still get repeatable focus on it as it works on dead-reckoning, not some crappy Sony focus, so if you want, you could fit a follow focus and get the control you want.
As has been noted the stock lens on the JVC looks “nice” from a physical aspect, but it’s cheap in terms of quality even for an SD lens, never mind an HD lens.
And yes, I have used proper broadcast removable lenses. I just can’t afford to buy a decent one that would do justice to the rest of the camera.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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movie/HD lens are better made (mechanical parts) as the movie/film/video business puts much more wera/tear on them..
plus the # of units sold/made = there are many more still lens sold then movie/HD/video lens = volume = less $$ -
Cost is all about mass markets.
When canon designs a new still lens it aims to sell one million of them.
When zeiss brings a new digiprime to market it aims to sell one thousand pieces.
So canon can press it’s r&d and product line costs to 1/1000 of what zeiss pays.A good still camera lens need resolving power of about 50 lp/mm.
A good 2/3″ hd lens needs 200 lp/mm.
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Good points. I reckon there’s a real economy of scale in what Panasonic will be doing, especially if the interest allready in this camera is anything to go by. Still, in a 1/3″ chip HD camera, the lens will be a limiting factor no matter what (fixed, removable), I think.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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[Barry Green] “There’s no need to rely on “going by feel”, because you get discrete, distinct feedback, with far more precise feedback related to lens position than you’d ever get with any “hard-stop” lens.”
Barry… we agree 150%
Just wanted to make sure I had made my point clear…
I’m also tired of the ‘we want a removable HD lens for $6000’ posts.In the following thread on DVinfo Jan mentioned that the HVX won’t actually read out the inches on the LCD (which is pretty disapointing).
Any idea if this means we will only have the same MF0-99 scale we have now?
Or will there be feet and no inches?https://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=43697
Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
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No, I think it’ll be metric, Metres etc. Who does feet and inches anymore anyway??
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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[Noah Kadner] “I find it a little odd seeing someone shooting on an XL2 with a $7,000 P+S and $10,000 lenses. For the same exact rental money or less they could have used an off-the-shelf HD camera with way better results”
People do that with DV, because tons of money gets saved in post (and rentals) by shooting DV instead of HD. Also, nobody buys a P+S, they rent.
Noah, I understand your point that dumping too much money into DV is a waste, but it does make sense in certain situations. I’ve seen many music videos shot on DV with the P+S that look great, and were made relatively very cheap.
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
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What I really, really want that’s been missing from all prosumer cameras is a decent wide. Even the “wide” adapters by century optics are really only about a 35 mm equivalent- not someting I’d call wide.
What I really need is a lens (or adapter in the HVX’s case) that yield something closer to, say a 12mm equivalent. But since I’ve never seen these, maybe they’re not possible? Don’t really know enough to say, but maybe someone can chime in here and lend a hand.
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
Decklink Extreme capture card
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