At the risk of sounding presumptuous, another hat in the ring.

[Chris Kenny]

[Kevin Zimmerman] “Another parallel I thought of today was that Apple has developed a “session” based NLE. Sort of a video equivalent to ProTools. Again, there’s something completely tone-deaf in regards to the idea of a professional editing job being primarily a singular act. The fact that when one duplicates a Project, you need to click through a dialog box asking if you’d like to duplicate the associated Events, or just reference them, speaks volumes.”

Lion adds system-level versioning features. I don’t know if we’ll see FCP X adopt these immediately, but they’re probably not unrelated to Apple’s long-term approach to this issue.

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[David Lawrence]

[Robert Brown] “Actually I hope they don’t listen. FCP IMO has done more to de-professionalize the industry than anything I can think of. Lot’s of fresh “editors” showing up with no video or technical backgrounds. “

The exact same argument was used against desktop publishing when it first started. I think it’s bogus. An open tool is as good as its user.

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[John Davidson]

“Where were you on 6/21?”

LMAO!

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[Robert Brown]

Ok I’ll remember that next time I have to explain to one of our new hires why you should turn the scope on.

[David Lawrence]

[Robert Brown] “Ok I’ll remember that next time I have to explain to one of our new hires why you should turn the scope on.”

Well, that or maybe up the bar with your new hires? Don’t know about your town but in mine a lot of very skilled people are looking for work these days.

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[Robert Brown]

Well I don’t do the hiring. But I see your point and have often made the analogy that good cameras have been available to the masses for a long time but how many people actually take good photographs? Not that many, it’s all in the skill and how much time you dedicate to learning it. But I also believe the concept of apprenticeship has it’s merits.

[Kevin Zimmerman]

[Chris Kenny] ”
Lion adds system-level versioning features. I don’t know if we’ll see FCP X adopt these immediately, but they’re probably not unrelated to Apple’s long-term approach to this issue.”

Interesting, absolutely. I’ve read about Lion’s new approach to saving/versioning on the system level. And I hadn’t thought about it in terms of FCPX.

But my instinct is that it would still be the wrong type of organization for the creative process… as I understand Lion (and trust me, I’m the first to admit that I haven’t seen it in action, only read in blogs), there’s no such thing as “saving” for situations such as a crash or a mistake. One can move backwards through “saves” like moving through incremental backups, perhaps?

Part of the process of versioning for NLEs is that just because a version is newer doesn’t make it better. Versions need to be separate and discrete to be of value — it’s not simply an evolution of one concept. Again, multiple paths need to be pursued, and available for review, in one arena. Version 106 can beget version 106b can beget version 106b3 while version 176 is still being evaluated. I know it sounds like I’m beating a dead horse, but effortless versioning is the one, single idea that pushed digital NLEs past analog NLEs (i.e. a Steenbeck).

[David Lawrence]

[Robert Brown] “But I also believe the concept of apprenticeship has it’s merits.”

I absolutely agree! I also share your concern about FCP de-professionalizing the industry, but I’d argue it’s not FCP Studio we need to worry about, it’s FCPX.

X clearly discourages best practices and industry standards. Anyone who thinks mastering it will make them a “Pro” will have big gaps in their knowledge if they ever have to connect with the rest of the industry.

Just the other day, a producer I work with was telling me how a client of his was excited about X because he thought he’d be able to use it to do what he normally hires my colleague to do. I think we’ll be seeing a lot more of that, for better or worse.

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[David Lawrence] “I absolutely agree! I also share your concern about FCP de-professionalizing the industry, but I’d argue it’s not FCP Studio we need to worry about, it’s FCPX.
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Well that’s a scary thought I was already worried enough about FCP. But actually not as much as I was a couple of years ago. The entire industry has changed already over the last few years, hopefully FCPX doesn’t make that much of an additional impact. I think the clients get it at some point. Stuff does have to get delivered right.

But there is a thread above that states Apple is doing some serious back peddling. Enterprise availability of FCP 7? OMF and EDL export coming soon? Tape out on the way? I’m really hoping this product doesn’t make it in the broadcast world and the buzz word products that clients get to know have things like good DVEs, good chroma keyers, correct EDL export, and good KF editors unlike FCP but very much like Avid and Premiere. But then again I haven’t tested the new one yet.

I guess all of the never fixed things in FCP and the way they handled the FCPX debacle really turned me off from Apple and I wish they’d get out of broadcast like they promised.

[Richard Clark]

Many, many thanks Kevin, I can but hope someone at Apple will respond and agree with your summation. I doubt it but hope it would, could, should happen. This release is a biggie but as you so eloquently put it, it is a BETA. There’s the rub. So thanks. I will not be updating anytime soon.

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