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At least one NLE is making great use of the new Touch Bar
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I’m going to take the liberty of embedding the video here. VERY cool stuff!
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God, I’m SO confused.
The internet told me it was a stupid gimmick – but now suddenly it’s not?
It can’t be possible, can it, that after some actual time for development – this will ACTUALLY be useful?
What if Apple is taking their time to THINK ABOUT how to best program for it – beyond even the obvious stuff like Resolve (basically a program who’s DNA is color grading – with a nice traditional track based NLE layered on top) using it for — color grading and some other perfectly obvious stuff?
It couldn’t be that Apple is taking their time conceptualizing how their own new track bar system might work within the entire X magnetic timeline concept can they?
Who takes time to do stuff like that these days? To basically think it through and try to “get it right” rather than just get it out in the market ASAP.
Crazy, I say.
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Two thoughts.
First thought, people should download the free version of Resolve from Blackmagic’s site, not the version from the App Store (the version from the App Store is updated less frequently due to how Apple manages the app store).
Second, just based on the video, I think I’d lose my mind trying to grade something using the TouchBar the way the person in the video is. It looks glacially slow and frustrating. Scroll to find right tool, touch to open tool, adjust slider, back out of tool, scroll to next tool, touch to open tool, adjust slider to back out of tool, scroll to find next tool, touch to open tool, adjust slider, etc., etc., etc.,. It’s the desktop equivalent to only being able to have one adjustable parameter open in the GUI at a time. Your typical color corrector will give you at least six (color wheels and brightness sliders for Highs, Mids, and Lows) and Resolve’s GUI gives you many, many more that are just a click (or keyboard short cut) away.
Resolve certainly packs a lot of functions into the TouchBar but is that really the best use of the TouchBar?
In my limited time playing with the touch bar at the Apple store and watching videos I think if you make the user scroll through a bunch of tools that are ‘off screen’ in order for the user to find the tool they need you are doing it wrong. I think the real strength of the TouchBar is in user customization. In any App I should be allowed to put whatever I want into the TouchBar.
For example, for quick n’ dirty grades I’ve been using the Basic Correction panel in PPro’s Lumetri Color a lot recently so mapping Temp, Tint, Exposure, Contrast and Saturation to the TouchBar would be cool because that’s 90% of what I use on these fast grades. W/o the flexibility to customize like you can your keyboard I think the TouchBar will always fall short of its potential.
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[Bill Davis] “It couldn’t be that Apple is taking their time conceptualizing how their own new track bar system might work within the entire X magnetic timeline concept can they? “
Because obviously they wouldn’t have had ANY time to do this before the launch of it, because presumably as they are part of Apple then they would have access to it much earlier than the Resolve team.
I think the touch bar is a nice addition, but I don’t think it’s going to revolutionise editing
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[Andrew Kimery] “Second, just based on the video, I think I’d lose my mind trying to grade something using the TouchBar the way the person in the video is. It looks glacially slow and frustrating. “
Yeah. It looks really cool and sleek but there’s no way I’d use it in actual work. If it would be customizable then I’d probably get some speed/convenience if I mapped the controls that are kinda annoying to use by mouse/aren’t available on a control surface like those small dials for temp/tint/sat/contrast/midtone detail.
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[Steve Connor] “I think the touch bar is a nice addition, but I don’t think it’s going to revolutionise editing”
What I do think is revolutionary (albeit, at a very high price point) is having a 2TB high speed SSD inside the computer.
Very few of my libraries are over 1 TB in size, and I can see having a modest capability RAID at home, and another at work, but keeping the library I’m working with, on the internal drive of the laptop, and doing my editing all from within the machine. Meaning that anywhere that laptop is, my project is, and it doesn’t have to be just proxies.The touch bar would not make me want to buy that laptop. The 2TB SSD does.
don walker
texarkana, texasJohn 3:16
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[Andrew Kimery] “Second, just based on the video, I think I’d lose my mind trying to grade something using the TouchBar the way the person in the video is.”
Well you should CERTAINLY make up your mind based on watching somebody in an internet video whose had it for a few days. That makes perfect sense.
It’s a brand new tool. I suppose when the Piano was a brand new tool, all the experience players hated it too.
Wait, oops. There actually were NO experience players when it was a brand new tool. That’s kinda the point of it being brand new.
Nobody quite knows how it might be used – until they explore how to use it.
I watched a YouTube video the other night of Booker T Jones on the Tiny Desk Concerts series play his classic Green Onions. Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh9KDzNkpSI
His Hammond B3 work is still completely AWESOME. And caused me to think about the organ and synth players who while their right hand was playing stuff, their LEFT hand could be constantly playing with the pitch wheel to bend them. Imagine that – while your right hand is doing one thing – your left hand can be SIMULTANEOUSLY making adjustments to whatever you’re keying in?
What an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY idea.
Whoops, I forget – this is the internet. So disliking something you’ve never touched and few people have ANY experience with – particularly as soon as it’s released – is how things are supposed to work.
Wouldn’t want to reserve any judgement until we see what people can do with the new thing, would we?
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[Bill Davis] “Whoops, I forget – this is the internet. So disliking something you’ve never touched and few people have ANY experience with – particularly as soon as it’s released – is how things are supposed to work.”
I’m not against the touchbar but in the configuration we saw in the video we should be allowed to draw our conclusion based on that compared to other hardware/software features. If I have dedicated knobs for saturation, contrast and hue they are quicker to use with a panel or a mouse than to go in a menu, change the value, go back, choose the other item, change the value etc.
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Why do you have to have tried something to know it would be no use to you? Everyone knows their own workflows no? It’s just a touch screen. We already use those to interact with computers so it’s hard to imagine there’s massive surprises in store. That video was a good example. High on the cool factor but did it show anything there that couldn’t be achieved more quickly and easily with a keyboard by someone who knows what they’re doing?
These days I’m more of a photoshop guy than an editor and I can’t ever see myself using one of these touch bars because to use it I would have to take my eyes off the screen. I use a gamepad programmed with macros for every tool I use and it’s an incredibly fast way to work because my eyes never leave the screen. I know where everything is by feel. There’s no feel with a touchbar and so it would be no use for me.
OTOH I haven’t used Microsofts Surface Studio yet- and the odds are I never will- but that dial looks incredibly useful. I have no idea how it’s being implemented but I can see a million uses for that. If you could, for example, dial in brush pressure with it while you’re drawing I could see it making the mouse as useful as a stylus. Again I haven’t used it so maybe it’s junk but I can say it looks to have utility that’s unique to it.
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If you reread my ENTIRE post Bill you’ll see how I think the TouchBar can be useful even though the example in the video is horribly slow compared to using a keyboard and mouse/trackpad/wacom tablet, etc.,.
Funny you make a piano analogy because when trying to describe to people the advantages of using color panels when grading I’ll say it’s like the difference between playing a piano with all ten fingers vs one finger. To follow your example, Mr. Jones is using all 10 fingers, plus his feet, to play. Now imagine he is on a computer using a mouse and can only click one key at a time. Now imagine he is on a computer using the TouchBar and has to linearly scroll through ALL of the keys to find the one he wants, then select it, then play the key, then hit “done”, then scroll, scroll, scroll to the next key, select it, play it, hit “done”, then scroll, scroll, scroll… See where I’m going with this?
Just because you *can* do it on the TouchBar doesn’t mean it’s *better* doing it on the TouchBar. Someone hacked the TouchBar so it could play Doom but I really, really, really doubt it provides a superior experience than playing it on a computer or a console. ????
I think the kitchen sink approach shown in the video is a poor use of the TouchBar. Why put all those tools in there and force the user to scroll, scroll, scroll when accessing them via the GUI (not to mention a color panel) is infinitely faster? Especially when something like grading is a constant back and forth of balancing multiple adjustments? I think my idea of how I could use the TouchBar in PPro is a much better example than the Resolve demo in the video.
The TouchBar should allow users to quickly and easily do something that they weren’t able to do as quickly and/or easily as before. Those criteria aren’t going to be the same for everyone which is why user customization is paramount, IMO.
EDIT: Spelling/grammar (at least the ones I caught).
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