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  • Frank Gothmann

    March 24, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Lots of apps have tc issues with Quicktime files. I don’t know if the issues are related but most stem from the way Qt calculates TC, running time divided by frame count. If its a variable frame rate codec or there is an audio overlap without picture even by just a single frame you end up with an invalid tc.

  • David Cherniack

    March 24, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    [Simon Ubsdell] “But don’t anybody tell me you haven’t ranted inappropriately from time to time ;-)”

    I only rant appropriately :).

    It wasn’t his 4-letter words I was taking exception to (as anyone who knows me would tell you), it was his overall behaviour – for which there are good 4 letter descriptors.

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Simon Ubsdell

    March 24, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    [David Cherniack] “I only rant appropriately :).”

    Me too! For some odd reason not everybody else sees it that way. Funny, huh?

    Simon Ubsdell
    http://www.tokyo-uk.com

  • Oliver Peters

    March 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Adobe is one of the few companies that actually makes a distinction between the correct 23.976 and the rounded 23.98. Some companies see 23.98 and assume 23.976, but Adobe doesn’t. That’s always been the case in After Effects.

    And while we are pointing out software issues, remember that FCP X does not read embedded reel numbers in QT. So no reel numbers from Alexa or QtChange-generated files, for example.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
    Orlando, FL
    http://www.oliverpeters.com

  • David Cherniack

    March 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    [Simon Ubsdell] ” For some odd reason not everybody else sees it that way. Funny, huh?”

    Hilarious.

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Dennis Radeke

    March 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    [Simon Ubsdell] “Still at least they’ve responded … sort of … wouldn’t get that from Apple in a million years!”

    Hi guys,

    Sorry I didn’t jump in earlier, but busy with a million things and I like to chime in here for fun and as a chance to ‘get away’ from work…sort of…

    Anyway, I think the real point is what Simon said here – that Adobe is talking with customers and acknowledging where there can be a problem. You will not get that typically from most other vendors and certainly that hasn’t been the case with Cupertino in quite a while.

    I know this is the positive side of the argument, but I’d rather have a company say, ‘hey yeah, this is an issue and we can’t get to this in the time you want’ rather than have silence and no communication be my de facto standard.

    Another way to think about it is that with any conversation or communication, there is always give and take. We (Adobe) can’t do every feature and everything that every user wants immediately. We have though demonstrated a willingness to listen and to try and help.

    Dennis – Adobe guy

  • Bob Woodhead

    March 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    My fingers are SO crossed hoping for an Adobe CS6 PPro home run….

    “Constituo, ergo sum”

    Bob Woodhead / Atlanta
    CMX-Quantel-Avid-FCP-Premiere-3D-AFX-Crayola
    “What a long strange trip it’s been….”

  • Simon Ubsdell

    March 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    [Dennis Radeke] “I’d rather have a company say, ‘hey yeah, this is an issue and we can’t get to this in the time you want’ rather than have silence and no communication be my de facto standard.”

    Hi Dennis

    Absolutely, and I have to say (as many have done before me) that as the human face of Adobe around these parts you set a shining example that is pretty much unparalleled 🙂

    Simon Ubsdell
    http://www.tokyo-uk.com

  • Jim Giberti

    March 24, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    [Dennis Radeke] “Anyway, I think the real point is what Simon said here – that Adobe is talking with customers and acknowledging where there can be a problem. You will not get that typically from most other vendors and certainly that hasn’t been the case with Cupertino in quite a while.”

    OK, this is the point where I have to tell you what I didn’t want to get into re my Apple conversation.

    It went something like this:

    Apple – We need a $99.99 to open a case file…you should leave feedback.

    Me – “look I’m not saying I’m important and certainly not more important than anyone else, but I have been one of the professional and vocal advocates of FCPX online…no I’m not going to pay you $100 dollars to share my bad experiences with your program…I’m not some kid asking how to plug in my iPad…really, I’m not going to pay you to help you beta your software…does Apple really want experienced users turning their backs on software they previously supported and writing about it ?…

    In fairness, the guy was nice to talk to and simply following Apple protocol, and during a very long conversation did share a good deal, in a sort of “okay I know you’re not going to pay us anything out of principle, and I do understand your plight and position”, way.

    I did point out the huge gap between the way Adobe dealt with the professional community and how Apple, well didn’t. In this era, not communicating simply leaves that messaging up to others on the interwebs – that’s stupid and counter-intuitive and counter-productive.

    Unless you’re Apple who, while redefining editing, have also redefined professional communication.

    They’ve even assigned it a value – 0

    All I can say is thank you to Adobe for actually treating us like we try and treat each other – with professional respect.

  • Jim Giberti

    March 24, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    [Bob Woodhead] “My fingers are SO crossed hoping for an Adobe CS6 PPro home run….

    Man, there are a lot of crossed fingers out there.

    Adobe finds itself in a rare moment in an industry like this – and it was a virtual gift from the visionaries at Apple.

    I really hope they get all Latin and carpe diem.

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