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  • Artifacts in a clip. Please have a look!

    Posted by Sven Giebel on July 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I have artifacts in a picture showing a fast driving cart. Since I want to deliver the film as a DVD this is a problem for me. The artifacts are visible when I switch my Panasonic Broadcast monitor to display deinterlaced frames. They are also visible when the final DVD is played via Apples software DVD-player in deinterlaced mode.
    I made a interlaced DVD and played it via a regular settop player: no artifacts. Also on my Panasonic BT-LH2600W, when in interlaced mode, there are no artifacts.
    Since I assume that most people will look at this DVD on a computer I would love to get rid of these artifacts. I remember having these problems before with a similar picture (very fast and blurry) in a project long ago. After lots of trial and error experiments in the end I found a way to deinterlace the material so I could be shure that every viewer would have a artifacts-free film (most deinterlace software apps or plugins I tried didn’t resolve the problem then).
    But is this the way to go or are there any other methods to cope with this problem? What might be the reason from the first place for these artifacts?

    Please have a look:

    2 screenshots and a onesecondclip from my timeline:
    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3921250/Fast%20pic01.JPG

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3921250/fast%20pic02.JPG

    https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3921250/Fast.mov

    I’m on FCP 7.0.2 – Clip was shot on Digibeta, codec is Apple Prores 422. ( the clip I link to is graded and there’s a small amount of gaussian blur on it, but the artifafacts are also there in the raw material)

    Sven Giebel replied 15 years, 9 months ago 4 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Bouke Vahl

    July 19, 2010 at 11:49 am

    I suspect the fast motion to be the problem.
    A ‘good’ de-interlacer tries only to de-interlace when it is needed, leaving static shots intact.

    You could use a brute blend option to force everything to be de-interlaced, but you end up with a way blurry end result.

    If you can’t trust the de-interlacing option in software DVD players,
    i would suggest trying every package you can get your hands on…

    Bouke

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  • Mark Maness

    July 19, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I see a couple of things here.

    First, your footage is interlaced and is a CU of a driver coming out of a curve. This is too much for interlaced footage to handle. A wider shot would not have been as noticeable for this. Any artifacts that are on the raw footage, I’d have to suspect that the camera is having some problems that need to be looked at by a repair shop. While you said it was shot Digibeta, the footage should have looked more pristine than I am seeing.

    Usually artifacting is due to heavy compression methods. Digibeta is an excellent SD medium and should have looked much better than you are saying. The Quicktime you made for us is interlaced, just as your footage, but Quicktimes should be deinterlaced because computer monitors are not interlaced themselves. So any Quicktimes that are interlaced will look awful on them.

    To remove artifacts on raw footage requires hard work and patience to remove them. There are plugins that will help but if the artifacts are bad enough, frame by frame manipulation is the only way. Or if you can, pick a different shot that looks better. Maybe a different angle or totally different shot.

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  • Andy Carroll

    July 19, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Question: Are you using Apple Compressor?

    I had an issue with this not too long ago while making a basketball demo, and there are a few options in Compressor that can fix the issue.

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  • Sven Giebel

    July 19, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Yes, I’m using Compressor for most of my encodings but what do you mean by saying there are some options which could possibly fix this issue?
    sven

  • Sven Giebel

    July 19, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    thanks wayne,
    the clip I posted is taken from the timeline, which is interlaced ProRes, upper field. This clip is already graded and I put some sort of bleach bypass effect on it. Part of the effect is a gaussian blur I put on a copy of the layer I put on top of itself, then I used a composite mode etc. As I mentioned the original unaltered clip shows the same artifacts. Without the effect its pristine and it’s sharp. What I should have mentioned: the stills are taken from the dvd, magnified by two. I don’t want to use another clip because these about 30 frames are part of a pictural climax which leads towards
    the driver crossing the finishing line.
    Your hint concerning a possibly necessary check of the camera is something I will think about, at least I will talk about it with the technician who regularly checks our euipment(although: in aprox. two years there were only two clips in which I’ve seen these problems and the clips were pretty similar (very blurry, very fast moving things)
    thanks for your thoughts,
    sven

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